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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | Keep in mind, we have been severely impacted by political and medical malfeasance, which was admitted across the board.
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Wrong again. ''We'' haven't been severely impacted by anything. Trial and error.
Malfeasance? Hardly. Poor use of the word. No ''intentional or willful'' act of doing harm. Unless you're talking about conspiracies?
No conspiracies here. Just smart ppl trying to help ppl with a pandemic. Sometimes they are wrong. Mostly they are right.
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F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Wrong again. ''We'' haven't been severely impacted by anything. Trial and error.
Malfeasance? Hardly. Poor use of the word. No ''intentional or willful'' act of doing harm. Unless you're talking about conspiracies?
No conspiracies here. Just smart ppl trying to help ppl with a pandemic. Sometimes they are wrong. Mostly they are right.
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Don't be naive Lee. Pitting the vaxxed vs. the unvaxxed is being done for a political reason. The unvaxxed should be persuaded, not shamed. No
matter their age, race, or party.
Also, not having a serious discussion on natural immunity is very telling.
[Edited on 9-19-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Don't be naive Lee. Pitting the vaxxed vs. the unvaxxed is being done for a political reason. The unvaxxed should be persuaded, not shamed. No
matter their age, race, or party.
Also, not having a serious discussion on natural immunity is very telling.
[Edited on 9-19-2021 by JZ] |
I agree putting two sides against each other is not constructive. But both sides are culpable in this.
And calling people who don’t get vaccinated idiots is not helpful.
But neither is this.
When .2% of the entire population has died from covid you can bet since the entire population has not been infected, the infection mortality rate is
higher. In the USA over half the states are over .2% and Mississippi is .3%
And that paper from 2019 Dr. Paul Ioannidis while published in the bulletin of the world health organization does not represent the WHO official
position and is quite out of date at this point.
And the good doctor is not without his own controversies. His work on the Santa Clara serology study was considered very sloppy.
So in summary it is not helpful to shame people for their position.
And it is not helpful to misrepresent information.
And back to topic.
I am heartened to see a continuing downward trend on covid in baja sur and Mexico as a whole.
The most recent UW IHME model would indicate that it will continue to decline through the year. (Caveat historically not great at predicting changes)
And most interestingly they predict an uptick in vaccinations.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/mexico/baja-california-sur?vi...
[Edited on 9-19-2021 by BajaNomad]
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“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”
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The wide spread booster plan rollout that 2 senior FDA vaccine leaders resigned over just got the smack down from an FDA council - on the day we were
told the rollout would start. 
So many confusing messages it's making everyone's heads spin.
[Edited on 9-20-2021 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | The wide spread booster plan rollout that 2 senior FDA vaccine leaders resigned over got the smack down from an FDA council on the day we were told
the rollout would start.
So many confusing messages it's making everyone's heads spin.
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Just your head JZ, not sure who you're hanging with.
I take everything from CDC, FDA, WH, Fauci, et al., with a grain of salt. That means until I, personally, verify something, it's not true or a
fact, for me. That leaves a lot of questions on the table.
Get comfortable with the unknown and uncertainty.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | JZ, I have not heard one kid over the last two years ever complain about masks. Sure, it's inconvenient but they realize it's not a big deal. I was
ON CAMPUS with live kids all last year, and am running the auto shop on a TDY assignment for one our high schools since mid August. We all wear
masks, and all of my kids have a strong sense of community and understanding of working together, there's no division among them. This gives me so
much hope for our future. Your continual obstinance is nothing my kids could relate to. They'd consider you a jerk, but they are still young and
don't understand nuance as well as adults.
JZ, your perception of masks and kids is not only wrong, but dead wrong. Visit a real, public school sometime and you might see for yourself. I'd be
happy to escort you.
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If you look closely, I always say "young kids." Meaning before middle school. |
And, what exactly is your overwhelming concern for "young kids?" Are you some kind of amateur pediatric psychologist? Or, just something else you
can troll about on BN?
Just read today that the vaccine provides a strong immune response in younger children.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vac...
As I've said many times, children are a lot more resilient than you realize.
And none of the kids I have in class are anywhere near the crybaby that you are.
John
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Don't be naive Lee. Pitting the vaxxed vs. the unvaxxed is being done for a political reason. The unvaxxed should be persuaded, not shamed. No
matter their age, race, or party.
Also, not having a serious discussion on natural immunity is very telling.
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Persuade the anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers/pro-freedumbers?
No one in their right mind would want to test the efficacy of natural immunity. Of course, those un-vaxxed who end up sick and dying are testing
things for the rest of us. Go for it!
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
The issues noted in CDC Director Walensky's clearly stated summary is that a short period of time after vaccination, you are at INCREASED risk of
severe illness, more so than you would be if you had not taken the jab. The jabs increase risk more so than reduce risk.
Walensky states, “vaccinated early” are at an “increased risk of severe disease.”
Brief Segment
https://air.tv/?v=BrmE4LQRQzqQFjFkQsFk7Q
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No, you're wrong, she did not say "more so than you would be if you had not taken the jab" or "The jabs increase risk more so than reduce risk" as you
say.
She said “increased risk of severe disease amongst those who were vaccinated early".
The severe disease is a bad case of COVID and the increased risk is in relation to those who have been more recently vaccinated.
She then goes on to advocate boosters for the more susceptible people because of recent Israeli evidence the vaccines wear off.
She ends by saying "our vaccines continue to offer THE best protection against severe COVID illness."
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You keep bringing up heart problems but you don't want to do all the research and cherry pick your info. Here's the CDC report on myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm
TLDR: Myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart, is the one potentially serious side effect from the vaccines. It is rare: An estimated 63 in every 1
million boys between ages 12 and 17 get myocarditis after vaccination; 999,937 do not. It is so rare in girls the incidence is not estimated.
Treatment is usually ibuprofen, none has died.
Meanwhile about 1 in 3,164 children infected with the coronavirus will develop MIS-C, a life-threatening inflammatory condition. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
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It's great that some Baja Nomads are beginning to pay attention to risks, reading, asking questions, considering risk vs reward in RNA permanent
modification versus natural human immunity.
All we can hope for, is awareness, along with general health management, diet, nutrition, exercise, fresh air, sunshine and weight management.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
All we can hope for, is awareness, along with general health management, diet, nutrition, exercise, fresh air, sunshine and weight management.
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and getting vaccinated.
Over 90% of the people in hospitals with COVID, gasping for air, are unvaccinated.
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Checking back in on this thread. Nothing new to report related to the topic of the thread. Looks like just a continuation of misinformation from
gnukid.
Stay away from the internet everybody. It can contaminate your mind. Only this website is free from BS though. Hahaha.
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Here is professional advice on covid.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/oh-my-flocking-god-get-t...
You have to replace flock with f*ck, as Doug does not like grown up words in URLs. 
Harsh, but in words that even shorty mcjizzy and oldkid can understand.
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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A gifted writer.
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22 Sep 2021 - Active Cases in Hospital
Data Sources:
BC - Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de Tijuana -
https://m.facebook.com/CesptOficial/
BCS - https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/
"active cases are those that are two weeks old and can be contagious today. This is known by laboratory tests of people who go to hospitals."
https://coronavirus.gob.mx/2020/04/30/conferencia-30-de-abri...
Note: There's a break in the data between fall 2020 and spring 2021. That's when I'm on the beach on Bahia Concepcion.
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BCS is looking much better.
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People are getting vaccinated, wearing masks, and social distancing here
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | It's great that some Baja Nomads are beginning to pay attention to risks, reading, asking questions, considering risk vs reward in RNA permanent
modification versus natural human immunity.
All we can hope for, is awareness, along with general health management, diet, nutrition, exercise, fresh air, sunshine and weight management.
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From the hoping for awareness of which you speak Paul, did you not see this post right above yours?
you keep bringing up heart problems but you don't want to do all the research and cherry pick your info. Here's the CDC report on myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm
TLDR: Myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart, is the one potentially serious side effect from the vaccines. It is rare: An estimated 63 in every 1
million boys between ages 12 and 17 get myocarditis after vaccination; 999,937 do not. It is so rare in girls the incidence is not estimated.
Treatment is usually ibuprofen, none has died.
Meanwhile about 1 in 3,164 children infected with the coronavirus will develop MIS-C, a life-threatening inflammatory condition. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
are you aware of these risks and effects Paul, because it doesn't seem like you understand at all?
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And it's important to know that Mexicans that are not vaccinated cannot just go and get vaccinated. There are not enough vaccines to go around. Under
50% are fully vaccinated. Baja California has vaccines only for second doses of certain types of vaccines. In Tijuana it's Pfizer and Sinovac and
those are available only in one place in the whole city. If you haven't had the first shot, you're out of luck.
For the most part, people act in a responsible manner. They wear masks, practice social distancing, largely avoid crowds, and businesses implement
safety procedures. At least that's my experience.
It's just insane that in the US you can go to the closest drug store to get vaccinated and people don't do it. Effing stupid.
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