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Australia has a population of only 25M spread across a huge territory. Lots easier to close borders and contain a virus. But Goat never mentions
any of that.
What that rogue leftist govt. did to it's population is awful. Melbourne had well over 260 days of lock downs and curfews.
They had manhunts for ppl who left quarantine.
Thank God we have the 2nd amendment and freedom here in the US. But for sure those power hungry libs want to take your freedoms from you. Stay
vigilant.
[Edited on 12-4-2021 by JZ]
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Australia
2,040 dead (9 per 100,000 people)
Usa
808,000 dead (249 per 100,000 people)
Looks like Australian’s value life more than Americans.
Usa covid dead total more than 270 9/11s
Usa covid dead total more than all usa soldiers that died in wars in 20th and 21st centuries combined.
Shame on gop for politicizing the public health efforts of government, and shame of gop for trying to prevent public health measures from saving usa
lives!
Woke!
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By these same measures China is the world leader. Despite being the source of the virus, their claimed Covid deaths are almost non-existent. Guess
locking suspected carriers in their homes works extremely well and saves a whole lot of unwanted expense treating them also.
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Omicron fears soon to become a very secondary issue: China and Russia are both timing their aggressive stances well considering this news there are
soon to be far fewer active military personnel
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/11/30/nearly-9000-m...
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They had so many months to get the jab. If they cold not get their act together enough to get the jab, then perhaps they are dolts that don’t
belong in military. I don’t want my tax dollars wasted on funding a military of idiots that can’t manage their time sufficiently to take
10mminutes to get the jab.
Boot the dolts now.
Same goes for idiot popo and fire fighters, if they are so stupid they can’t understand the jab is low risk and pandemic is high risk to society -
these idiots don’t belong in public service. Fire them now. Send them to quarantine camps, and consider sterilization so we can rid idiocy from
our gene pool
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Even one Marine who refuses a lawful order is one too many.
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Here is China's stated present take on the health of the US: I can't disagree with their observations. Worth a read i think:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-12-05/China-releases-report-...
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | I heard today that at home Covid tests in Europe are 1 Euro. And in the US they are $20. Not sure if that is 100% fact.
But if it is, it would be a good thing for the govt. to push to lower them in the US.
My youngest was sick this week and I put off going with him to get an Xmas tree worrying he might have Covid.
Cheap tests are a very good thing.
[Edited on 12-3-2021 by JZ] |
are you promoting socialism?
You?
and by the way, tests in Germany are free (one per week)
super socialism |
Biden requires health insurers to cover the cost of at-home COVID-19 tests amid growing concern over the Omicron variant
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-health-insurers-pay-fo...
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This is long overdue. Right now, most health insurers will cover PCR tests, with a 2 or 3-day turnaround time, but at home tests cost enough to
discourage most people of average means (including me) from buying them. Frequent "quick tests" are essential for a return to normalcy (whatever that
is).
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It's a smart move by Biden for sure.
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Goat,
The difference between Australia and the US as well as my criticism of their government can be stated simply!
“ Once the Federal Parliament has bestowed a right or entitlement in a statute, it is equally competent, under the doctrine of parliamentary
sovereignty, to take such a right away.(15) However, despite this clear legal position, significant political problems may arise from any such
move.” (You think!)
“Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.”
People who don’t understand that the rights of citizens existed prior to the formation of the central government and that the authority of that
government was limited in its founding documents won’t see a difference here! Some will see it and not like the concept! That said it’s still the
law here!
Thank God!
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Does anyone have a good explanation why Sweden, and now Fla have seen an extreme drop in both case fatality rates and also existing covid case counts?
Fla now has the lowest continuing cases since June 26 2020. There is something being done in both places that is working extremely well, have they
found some treatments that other areas are missing? Or is it just the levels of natural antibodies they have built up as some studies have indicated?
Florida:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Sweden:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
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Florida has very high natural antibodies plus they are very aggressive on therapeutics.
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This I think is big recent news:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-monoclonal-antibody-t...
Hopefully politically sourced resistance will decline with this latest development:
Quote: At this point in the pandemic, monoclonal antibodies are the top treatment option for people who've become infected with COVID-19, said Dr.
Carlos del Rio, president-elect of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) board of directors, during an IDSA media briefing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Florida has very high natural antibodies plus they are very aggressive on therapeutics.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | This I think is big recent news:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-monoclonal-antibody-t...
Hopefully politically sourced resistance will decline with this latest development:
Quote: At this point in the pandemic, monoclonal antibodies are the top treatment option for people who've become infected with COVID-19, said Dr.
Carlos del Rio, president-elect of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) board of directors, during an IDSA media briefing.
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I would much rather get vaccinated and wear a mask than have to get sick and require complex therapeutics like monoclonal antibodies.
I laugh when people say they dont want the vaccine to pollute their pristine bodies, but then are fine with intravenous monoclonal antibodies when
they are in hospital on a ventilator 
Good thing we got socialized medicine, because you would all go bankrupt if you had to pay for your own monoclonal antibody therapy and ICU visit with
ventilator
anywho, the jab and a masking up are sure better than being in an ICU bed on ventilator getting IV of monoclonal antibdies while you are alone in ICU
w/o patient advocacy due to covid restrictions on family visiting covid ward.
Be sure to facetime with your kids every night from ICU room, as you may never see them again!
Woke!
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Mr MTGoat: Once again, you posit that a pre or post exposure antibody treatment that saves lives automatically precludes vaccines or masks, despite us
telling you multiple times over we have done both but wish people to know there is yet another level that will save even more lives.
Why are you so opposed to people using every tool in the available range of treatments to prevent deaths just because it was first suggested by a
party other than your own? Remember who initiated the rapid development of experimental vaccines to begin with and who immediately opposed them? This
crisis goes way beyond political parties and is something we should all be fighting side by side.
[Edited on 12-9-2021 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
I would much rather get vaccinated and wear a mask than have to get sick and require complex therapeutics like monoclonal antibodies.
I laugh when people say they dont want the vaccine to pollute their pristine bodies, but then are fine with intravenous monoclonal antibodies when
they are in hospital on a ventilator
Good thing we got socialized medicine, because you would all go bankrupt if you had to pay for your own monoclonal antibody therapy and ICU visit with
ventilator
anywho, the jab and a masking up are sure better than being in an ICU bed on ventilator getting IV of monoclonal antibdies while you are alone in ICU
w/o patient advocacy due to covid restrictions on family visiting covid ward.
Be sure to facetime with your kids every night from ICU room, as you may never see them again! |
If you are older or at risk, for sure you should take the vax. If you are younger and in great health and maybe have natural immunity it's that
person's personal decision.
You don't wait until you are super sick to take the antibody treatment. It's good to have both. Plus lots of other treatments are coming soon.
The current admin has focused to much on the vaccine mandates and used it to divide the country. Ppl on both sides are sick of it at this point and
revolting.
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jZ, any idea what a round of monoclonal antibody treatment costs? as compared to the cost of a vaccine? and once you answer that - any specific
reason my insurance company should cover the cost of monoclonal antibody treatment to someone who did not get vaccinated?
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | jZ, any idea what a round of monoclonal antibody treatment costs? as compared to the cost of a vaccine? and once you answer that - any specific
reason my insurance company should cover the cost of monoclonal antibody treatment to someone who did not get vaccinated? |
Ppl do all sorts of things that are very risky that insurance covers the damage on.
Florida opened twenty five sites giving the treatment for free. They have cut that in half as case came way down.
Covering the treatment is also way less than covering hospitalization.
Again, both vaccines and therapeutics should be advanced.
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The vaccine and a box of masks costs a whole lot less than treatment or hospitalization.
The vaccine is negligible risk.
Getting sick enough to require treatment or hospitalization is super risky.
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