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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil S
DAvid K. Sorry took so long to get back to your question as to whether I can get you in for "sushi" at Nellies bar. You bet David. Nellie is
becoming a friend over the past week before she headed to Phoenix several days ago. Love the bar. Great second story overlooking the malecon. She
has several motel rooms also. Don't particularly like the direction her "blog" is going, but I have met her. And she is "sharp" lady. She will be
very successful there. Baja Boss has it all!!!!
Capt George. Give Nellie a chance mia amigo. Meet her, then decide for youself. I can see where some "males" won't like her because she does know
what she's doing, and will succeed at it. But George. Drop by & say hello, and give her a chance. PHil S |
Do the motel rooms rent by the hour?
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vandenberg
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" And she is sharp lady " Chinese rubbing off on you 
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bajabeachbabe
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I knew when I posted Nellie’s blog link I was going to possibly stir up the pot. Wow, was that an understatement. Ironically, I found her blog while
googling to see if Herzon and his father had a website. Nellie’s blog showed up as she wrote about Herzon in one of her postings.
I too was disturbed by the show of “Affluenza” that is displayed in the blog. (My poor husband had to listen to me rant and rave about it.) It does
make us look like ugly Americans.
When I mentioned that I thought that Nellie and her endeavors were one of the positive outcomes from the Loreto Bay project, it was because I know how
much courage it takes to start a business, much less, move to a foreign country and then start a business from scratch. (Right Pam?)
Because of her business, she will need to integrate into the community or she will fail. I am sure she realizes that. Right now much of her business
is coming from the Loreto Bay community. Once Loreto Bay is built out with shops, there will be less need for the residents to even venture into
town. They will be able to spend all their time in their Loreto Bay Biosphere.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabeachbabe
...Because of her business, she will need to integrate into the community or she will fail.... |
That's the old way of doing things, I suspect.
But I think some are part of creating a new paradigm, where they strive to integrate into a new community of wealthy expats, not longer term
residents. I believe Fonatur, Singlar and API are playing this game, where not only the native Loretanos, but the middle class expats, fall below
their radar and below their price fixing. So the prices of many goods and services, the prices of commodities such as water and power, and the price
of access to much of the land and water-for recreation, for work or for homes-are set to maximize revenues from the new wealthier foreigners at the
cost of marginalizing everyone else.
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Phil S
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bancoduo???????? If you know something about Nellie that I haven't heard about yet, I think it would be proper & less liabeless to share what you
know, rather than "imply" something about her hotels activities. But then again, I might be reading something into your response that wasn't meant
what I read????????????????????????????????????
Or was your question in regards to your needs of a 15 minute hotel!!!!!!????? If you would like, I could call and inquire for you, as I don't
remember he saying anything other than all night rates. I am aware of them, as I took a visiting friend from Eugene Ore by, to inspect the rooms for
his next visit to Loreto. I think he needed something close to Auggies where he wouldn't have to walk so far to the Oasis after an evenings
entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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vandenberg
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Phil
The way she talked about Augie's staggering drunken customers,she probably won't rent a room to one
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bancoduo
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Just remembering my Asian military experiences. Meant a lot of Asian girls named Nellie. Kinda like Rosies in " MASH".No offence.
PS. How much are the rooms.
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Phil S
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I believe she said $65.00 a night. Right on the malecon & close to downtown centre. I don't know about staying at a motel that has a bar on
premises for myself. But for a nights drinking, convenience & closeness is important.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabeachbabe
...Because of her business, she will need to integrate into the community or she will fail....
Originally posted by Don Alley
That's the old way of doing things, I suspect. |
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yes that is the old way of doing things. I came here just when the "no mas mordida" campaign started. Fortunately for me because I had very few
finances just a barely established seasonal business. This will never be repeated here again. It will take at least a million dollars now, maybe
more.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
But I think some are part of creating a new paradigm, where they strive to integrate into a new community of wealthy expats, not longer term
residents. I believe Fonatur, Singlar and API are playing this game, where not only the native Loretanos, but the middle class expats, fall below
their radar and below their price fixing. So the prices of many goods and services, the prices of commodities such as water and power, and the price
of access to much of the land and water-for recreation, for work or for homes-are set to maximize revenues from the new wealthier foreigners at the
cost of marginalizing everyone else. |
please excuse me for jumping in before reading even the post below which one this was quoted from. There's a lot I cannot say so this is difficult
for me but you have hit the target, bullseye. This is why the ramp in town is in such bad shape and why the ramp at PE won't go down in price. At
some point nobody will want to fish from a panga. The netters won't be able to catch sardinas from the floating dock. The independents will be
working for one of the big outfitters on one of their big boats and they will remain on contract with no benefits and a low wage. The big guys have
money and they can play right into the old system before the program for which I just mentioned started. They play dirty with all of us. The people
will lose, bigtime.
[Edited on 4-7-2007 by flyfishinPam]
[Edited on 4-7-2007 by flyfishinPam]
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Pescador
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Friday, April 6, an article in USA Today about Low-Key Loreto drawing more Americans. I sent a response to jeclark@USAToday.com to suggest he look
over this website to get better information
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bancoduo
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You did a good thing, but you have to realize that these people are spoon feed $$$ to print garbage for vested interests. although, It never hurts to
try.
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As I have stated over and over, I am against Loreto Bay and have been from day one. I still believe that will walk out before finishing everything
with their pockets full. As for a free room and one meal a day---that is not what I am seeing in Loreto when I pass little one room houses with 20
workers cramed in it like sardines. I too, have talked with the workers of Loreto Bay and they tell me things much different from whats written in
some of the above posts. They are there to earn money to feed their families---period. There are no benefits and round trip airplane tickets for the
lower paid ones. Many are not paid on time by the sub contractors that LB uses to isolate themselves from the problems. Additionally, there is not
enough water to go around in Loreto. However, after the first good hurricane or earthquake, that might not still be a problem. Finally, how did
Loreto Bay get those signs posted along the highway. They are government signs---paid for by Mexican citizens. Nope, someone is getting a little
payoff here and there and they could very well be working for Fonatur. Sorry, Phil, but I think the construction is very poor and I wouldn't live in
one of their units at 10% of the going price. By the way, does anyone think Loreto Bay is just like a typical Mexican pueblo? That is what they
advertise.
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Pescador
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You know that everyone that goes to Baja is looking for a different experience. I quit going to Loreto 5 or 6 years ago when I noticed that the
prices were reaching new standards that were barely short of Cabo. But in the same way that I am happy that Cabo literally pulls off the type of
tourists that I deplore (in for 5 days and try to cram all of into a short time and act like an ugly american or worse), actually I find some relief
in the fact that Loreto has left other areas of the baja relatively untouched. If this grand experiment somehow fails due to lack of water or lack of
any of the other ingredients that make this all happen, then maybe some of the "out of the mainstream places" may keep some of their original charm.
I love it when I can go out to eat and then walk around town and not run into "those Norte Americanos" who somehow change the very atmoshphere of the
places they visit.
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Julie
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If one of those staggering, drunken customers was at Halloween and a Pirate, it might have been me! OOPS
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Augies is a laid back, neat place. Good food, good people! :tumble idn't see any staggering drunks, my vision might have been impaired.
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Phil S
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Capt. Sharky. You've brought up a question in your statement about Loreto Bay uses sub contractors to"insulate themselve from problems" ???
I guess I've been out of the loop of "contractors/developers". I always thought that anyone who is a developer uses "contractors" to build for them.
I wasn't aware it was for "shielding them from problems???????
Maybe your coming from the laborers point of view. I guess I'm sitting in then C.E.O. seat most of my life. Help me out here by what you mean,
insulate them selves from problems. Thanks.
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Blogs are something that are tailored to the specific audience they target and the author fails to realize that it should address a larger more
dynamic crowd. But then, how many Loretans have internet. By addressing the elitist common ground so many wealthy visitors share it selfishly entices
those folks and more. The reality is that Loreto and it's residents don't like or care for the noisy toys and drinking habits many gringos think is so
cute.
Kinda like a new nudie bar going in, sure it attracts biz but would most of us want one next door. Baja has it's own set of seekers. I can empathize
with the people of Loreto. Their culture and way of life is at stake.
A blog such as Nellies' undermines the attempt to build a harmonious Loreto. Water is one major issue constantly batted around, but there are many
ramifications. I'm glad to see that people like Pam see the other side of the coin. It is so easy for these huge projects to overshadow concerns put
forth by residents. Their spin machine just spews out another press release with more hollow promises or spiel.
Quite frankly I doubt the people of Loreto carry much clout with regards to the project(s). The decisions are being made by those with a vested
interest, that is, money, not a care for the environment, culture or way-of-life.
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OMIGOD the "beautiful people" have arrived. Loreto is doomed.
I remember when it happened in Cabo. One day we were all driving around in "Cabo" cars, you know the kind I mean, and no one cared too much about what
you had or how you looked.
The next thing we knew the streets were filling up with fancy cars driven by tanning-bed afficionados with perfect white smiles who looked down their
noses at us. "Jeez," growled one of the oldtimers as a bleached blonde Californian drove by in a new convertible, "the beautiful people
are here. Time to move on." And that's how I've thought of them ever since.
The Cabo Tomatoes were quickly infiltrated by the new breed. I remember one of them complained bitterly about not being allowed to post a bulletin of
some sort in a prominent place at Aramburos. "After all," she sniffed piously, we ARE the backbone of this community!"
Gee, I always thought it was the working stiffs in the barrios who were the backbone of the community, not a gringa living in the Pedregal. But what
do I know?
I'm all for progress in any way that is actually good for the Mexican people, but I fear what is happening in Loreto may not be that kind of progress.
Not if Nellie's blog is any example.
As for being a "classy guy", Dave may be one but he'd have to show me a lot more than a bunch of expensive toys to convince me of that. I'm much more
impressed by substance than by flash. I've never met Pam (maybe I'll get lucky some day?), but to me she's the one who demonstrates class, along with
the generous and open hearted people who have populated the Baja for generations...
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. 
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capn.sharky
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"Help me out here by what you mean, insulate them selves from problems. Thanks." Phil, its isn't always true that all developers use contractors for
the building....many are both. By insulating, I mean, not paying employees on time, not keeping promises made to Loreto regarding waste management
and water problems and not treating employees with respect regarding housing etc. I too, sat in the owners seat of my business for over 40 years. I
am glad that I no longer have to do that. And, yes, I have only talked with the employees at Loreto Bay. I do not wish to talk with the
owner/developers. I am sorry that we seem to be at the opposite ends of the stick on this issue and hope that you do not take any of this as a
personal affront. It is not meant to be so.
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I think you've got it right, tigerdog 
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