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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
All that said, from what I've seen developing in the original case, it would appear that at the very least, this incident does not appear to be part
of some local crime spree. |
We'll just have to wait and see what developes...too early to speculate on a local crime spree, it could be the first of many. it could be an isolated
instance.
Who else did this guy work for? When did he work at the house? Why did he all of a sudden job this couple in an invasion? that is risky. Where these
people rich or appear rich? Seems wierd to invade a house with occupants when there were surely lots of vacant houses around.
Did the couple just use the cash machine that day, and maybe followed home? Did they keep lots of cash at home or maybe possibly flash the wrong
person a bankroll?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Looks like two or three threads about crime are still going. Just so there's no misunderstanding about the type of crimes: burglary is forced entry
into your home when you're gone. Robbery is violence or the threat of violence. Home invasion is strangers invading your home. Theft is the taking of
property with no sign of forced entry. Lose a tool to a friend or employee, that's wrongful conversion. |
Your definitions are not quite accurate, Os.
Robbery is the taking of property of value, from the person of the victim or from his immediate presence, by means of force or threat of force.
Burglary, at common law, was the night-time breaking and entry of the dwelling of another with the intent to commit a felony inside. All or most
states' statutes have broadened that definition such that the time of entry is irrelevant, no breaking is required, any structure -- not just a
dwelling -- may be the target, and the intent need not be to commit a felony -- any crime will do. Note: burglary need not occur "when you are
gone"; it can occur any time, e.g., while you are asleep.
Theft (or larceny) is the taking of property without the owner's consent. It can occur with or without forced entry (or any entry, for that matter),
and it is often, if not usually, one of the elements of robbery and of burglary.
"Home invasion," as far as I know, is not a defined crime. I would think that any entry by an unwanted person or other entity might qualify as a
"home invasion." E.g., an indoor ant infestation would qualify, I'd think, as a "home invasion."
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Good points. I wasn't intending to shut the door on this. But it does seem to me that the farther away in time from this incident, with no others in
the area reported, the better for everyone.
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If you shoplift in California they call it a Commercial Burglary which is a Felony vs. Misdemeanor shoplift case,
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
If you shoplift in California they call it a Commercial Burglary which is a Felony vs. Misdemeanor shoplift case, |
I imagine they'd have to prove MORE than a simple shoplifting; wouldn't they have to prove an intent to shoplift at the time of entry?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
If you shoplift in California they call it a Commercial Burglary which is a Felony vs. Misdemeanor shoplift case, |
El -- that's what "they" (the DAs, I assume) "call it" when trying to force a plea bargain, but I wonder how many times shoplifters have actually been
convicted of this offense (as opposed to the lesser included one)....
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It all depends on how bad they want you. Some will plea bargin a person and some will not. If you are a three striker forgetaboutit.
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Just had a long talk with Woody, he said that when the two guys came up their drive way, they had a small baby with them, said they were looking for
blankets for the baby. The one told Woody he had been there before working at his house, Woody didn’t remember him. When Woody’s back was turned that
is when they grabbed him, took him in the house and used the electrical cords to tie both him and his wife up. Woody said these guys were pros, not
drunk nor on drunks. They knew what they wanted and went about it very professional. They had a box cutter and cut Donna’s purse looking for any
secret compartments.
Woody said the same night that someone over in La Capilla (that is where we live) got robbed at gun point, and was told if they talk they’ll come back
and kill them, same as what they told Woody and Donna..
Guess it’s safe to say NO one will be answering doors or letting anyone on to their property in our area.
Last night three panga’s were stolen in our area…
[Edited on 7-19-2010 by Bill Collector]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
Just had a long talk with Woody, he said that when the two guys came up their drive way, they had a small baby with them, said they were looking for
blankets for the baby. The one told Woody he had been there before working at his house, Woody didn’t remember him. When Woody’s back was turned that
is when they grabbed him, took him in the house and used the electrical cords to tie both him and his wife up. Woody said these guys were pros, not
drunk nor on drunks. They knew what they wanted and went about it very professional. They had a box cutter and cut Donna’s purse looking for any
secret compartments.
Woody said the same night that someone over in La Capilla (that is where we live) got robbed at gun point, and was told if they talk they’ll come back
and kill them, same as what they told Woody and Donna..
Guess it’s safe to say NO one will be answering doors or letting anyone on to their property in our area.
Last night three panga’s were stolen in our area…
[Edited on 7-19-2010 by Bill Collector] |
Double Yikes!! Don't go to the door at night.
Make them try and come in, then you may have an element of surprise which is big when your swinging a axe handle.
I started installing my storm shutters this week so now there is only one way in!!
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I'm headin' to Home Depot to buy a couple of security doors that would require either a key or a cutting torch.
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This is all a shame. A shame that you have to go to such extremes to protect yourself, family and property. Makes one think twice about moving south
now.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm headin' to Home Depot to buy a couple of security doors that would require either a key or a cutting torch. |
like I said in this or another post..... barred windows and steel doors and going to happen when I build our new home.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jureal
This is all a shame. A shame that you have to go to such extremes to protect yourself, family and property. Makes one think twice about moving south
now. |
It wouldn't be such a rush for hardware if we were allowed firearms. These guys are so brazen because they know we don't have them.
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My heart goes out to the victims on the East Cape. It didn't use to be that way and I hope life returns to normal there.
I have to say...The Orchard, along the Mulege River in Mulege, is a very safe place. We do have security. In fact, we don't hear of any crime
whatsoever along the south side of the river. I don't even lock my door at night. If any resident who lives in Mulege, and especially along the river,
can refute this let's hear it. I want to hear it because I think we all need to be aware, if there is any danger.
There were some break-ins in houses directly on the river about three years ago, but we all know who the perps were. They were identified and run out
of town. We party with the construction workers. I play Mariachi trumpet and congas with some of them who play guitar and sing. There is even one of
these events on UTube. Everybody knows each other.
In spite of what Mano Negra says on the Turtle String, I am not aware of any drug related crime, or much crime at all, in all of Mulege. A couple of
years ago some kids were breaking into some houses in The Oasis, but they were caught.
I have heard that some local kids are on Meth, but can't confirm that. You don't hear of any meth related crime around town.
Mulege is pretty mellow. Women can walk alone and not be bothered. The locals are a tight knit,conservative community, and are mostly related. They
are Catholic and between the church and the extended family, everybody knows everybody else's personal business. The kids can't get away with much and
are kept in line.
Most gringos are older and with gray hair. They may be prey in other areas, but not in Mulege. I attend the boxing matches when held in Mulege, next
to the plaza. The last one I attended featured a boxer from Tijuana. He was fairly highly ranked and he won. There were some pretty scary looking
groups (gangs?) standing around in the plaza afterward. Many were from TJ. I walked right through them, but I walked as though I had a purpose and a
destination...didn't make much eye contact. Nobody said anything to me and nobody followed me to my vehicle. There was a good police presence.
Speaking of Police: There appears to be a hands off policy with gringos, unless one is really drunk, obnoxious and causing trouble. There is NO
mordida, no traffic stops or harassment, and no parking tickets, unless you are really obstructing traffic. Then they try to find you and ask you to
move it. Usually they look in Scotty's first. The police are talkative, helpful and treat us like locals. I am sure this manner is ordered from the
top. They even patrol the neighborhoods, including The Orchard.
Our big threat seems to be Mother Nature. She has sent us three Hurricane driven floods in four years. It's always something, isn't it? We deal with
it and continue onward.
Let's see if we haven't broken that weather pattern this year. We should know in about a month. Hopefully we will enter another cycle without
devastating flooding that will last for years. This has been very hard on the town's locals too. They could really use a break!
Mulege is not a big development. It is a beautiful place that is a wonderful place to live. Great fishing and world class restaurants, too! Sign me up
as a representative with the Chamber of Commerce.  
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by jureal
This is all a shame. A shame that you have to go to such extremes to protect yourself, family and property. Makes one think twice about moving south
now. |
It wouldn't be such a rush for hardware if we were allowed firearms. These guys are so brazen because they know we don't have them.
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I personally know of many down here - gringos and locals - who keep a loaded gun on their nightstand. If these guys keep this up their luck will
eventually run out. At night I would never walk outside when somebody comes a calling if I didn't know 100% for sure who it was, north or south of the
border....
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Actually, the Buena Vista/ Los Barriles is not all that different from Mulege, in that is is a relatively small town that has a sizable Gringo
population, seasonally or otherwise. I'm thinking that a major difference between the two communities may be that SJD is fairly close to Los Barriles.
While Mulege is some distance from an international airport, it may suffer from it's isolation, Which is also one of its charms. Not to mention that
service at Loreto is sparse, while virtually dozens of planes arrive and depart SJD daily.
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There was a passing mention of the crime problem in Los Barilles in the local newspaper today.
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage/index.cfm?op=por...
Tribuna De Los cabos
"le manifestaron a la legisadora su malestar por la inseguridad que impera en ese centro turistico, donde se han dado ya asaltos en la via publica
y en casas habitacion, lo que causa alarma en los habitantes porque puede propiciar una disminucion considerable en el numero de visitantes..."
they told the legislator of their unhappiness with the prevailing insecurity in this tourist center, where there have been attacks in public and in
homes, causing alarm among the inhabitants because this can lead to a considerable drop in tourism...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm headin' to Home Depot to buy a couple of security doors that would require either a key or a cutting torch. |
like I said in this or another post..... barred windows and steel doors and going to happen when I build our new home. |
Had them on the first house we rented .... and like them very much.. know all about the fired hazard... but, when I was staying by myself and the wife
was up north with the dogs.. felt very secure in my little place with the all locked up...
Yeah, if one wants in.. throw a logging chain on it and lock on to a hitch and off they come.. but, that would be a bit "visual" and "noisy" so...
would not worry about it too much..
Don't have them on the new place.. it has a "security system" electronic which is linked to a private company that takes care of all responses to the
appropriate agency's.. if there is any loss of signal for more than x.. it starts the drill.. plus the owner put up a Klaxon which will wake the
dead...
I don't go out side the walls at night without the dogs... and carrying some typed of protection, if I can remember to take one.. Bajaguy gave me a
good recommendation for one.. and I continue to forget it.. and it is right on my night stand.. along with a cattle prod... too..
I'm not paranoid, rather just like to be prepared... which includes a 6 months supply of food and 20 gallons of water at all times.. an emergency kit
which can be put into the Bronco which has shelter (a 6 man Himalayan Hotel tent) plus a lot of other things which should help us get by, in the event
of some really major stuff happening ... with only one thing lacking... a weapon with real stopping ability ... have them on NOB.. but, will play it
the way they want it.... while down here..
Think Dr Glock is pretty good one.. Its' a keeper in my book
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Don't have them on the new place.. it has a "security system" electronic which is linked to a private company that takes care of all responses to the
appropriate agency's.. if there is any loss of signal for more than x.. it starts the drill.. |
Don't want to cause any alarm but have you ever tested that theory?
I had a neighbor who had a fancy system. One evening while he was gone the thing went off. No one came...ever. He finally came home later
that night and turned the damn thing off.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bill Collector
Just had a long talk with Woody, he said that when the two guys came up their drive way, they had a small baby with them, said they were looking for
blankets for the baby. The one told Woody he had been there before working at his house, Woody didn’t remember him. When Woody’s back was turned that
is when they grabbed him, took him in the house and used the electrical cords to tie both him and his wife up. Woody said these guys were pros, not
drunk nor on drunks. They knew what they wanted and went about it very professional. They had a box cutter and cut Donna’s purse looking for any
secret compartments.
Woody said the same night that someone over in La Capilla (that is where we live) got robbed at gun point, and was told if they talk they’ll come back
and kill them, same as what they told Woody and Donna..
Guess it’s safe to say NO one will be answering doors or letting anyone on to their property in our area.
Last night three panga’s were stolen in our area…
[Edited on 7-19-2010 by Bill Collector] |
Wow, more bad news. Where were the pangas stolen from?....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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