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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 01:27 PM


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Kind of like the "HornyToad" thing that if you kill one, your Cows will go Dry.


Skeeter, "Horny Toad", isn't that another field of your expertise.:?::?: :biggrin::biggrin:




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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 01:47 PM


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A long line of naturalists Linnaes, Darwin, Lamarck, Skeet.

I had no idea Skeet, or Darwin for that matter, was a nudist.


Oh Yeah! I believe the proper term is nekked
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 02:15 PM


Van:

The Horny Toad is just about gone. Very few left up here in the Panhandle.

As a kid on the Farm we played with them all the time, never killing one, as the Folks back in those days really believed that if you killed one your Cows would go Dry.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 02:23 PM


"As a kid on the Farm we played with them all the time, never killing one, as the Folks back in those days really believed that if you killed one your Cows would go Dry."

So let me get this straight, you never killed a frog because you believed an old wives tale, but you'll capture and maim a species from a protected environment (or pay someone else to) that qualified professionals deem worthy of protection for the survival of the species?

Just when you thought it couldn't get better, it does.




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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 02:53 PM


This thread is like a train wreck, hard to not look. :lol:

The book David quoted is a good handy herp book for Baja and you can get it for only 20.95 at http://www.bajabooksandmaps.com/ A great deal! It is always in my truck on Baja trips. They also sell the definitive guide for reptiles and amphibians of Baja by Grismer, for all the hard-core naturalists out there.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 03:19 PM


Oh, a new oxy marooon

Maybe they should be called rattleless snakes??
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 03:39 PM


Matic:

I would never, never "Capture and Mame" a Specie>. What I did by removing and very carefully handling the snakes and putting them into another place was to see if there would be any cnages over the years.

Matic you must learn that many of these so-called Specie Nuts only have Book-learning and do not ever go out and live with their Specie.

And it was not a "Protected Enviorment". There was no such Wording /rules/regulations., it was a time which people used "Common Sense" not Group Govt Therpy.

However, if I could get a snake from the Island I could again plant it in my special place and my Grandson could observe and record to see any changes.

Do you think any of these S'Species Nuts" would get out of their Office Chairs to Hold a Snake???

Ha! Ha!!!
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 03:48 PM


I once removed a very large pregnant red rattlesnake from my driveway by putting her in a trash can releasing her on a firebreak some distance away from my home. After releasing her she gave me a big kiss on the smackeroo and took off. I have eaten rattlesnake which I cooked over the coals of a fire when I was starving as a kid but since I am not in that situation anymore I don’t harm them.



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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 04:09 PM


Skeet. OH! I totally got it wrong. For a second there I thought you meant that if you could go to that island, which is protected I think, that you would take a snake from there, and relocate it to a completely different region. Clearly you didn't say that. Now I get it. you meant, If you could go to that island and take a snake from there, you would do it, and relocate it to a completely different region so you and your grandson can see what happens. Thanks for clarifying.

FYI - you should get out more. The naturalists who advise the suits to make the laws spend way more time outdoors than you - I promise you that. They have degrees in these specialized fields and spend weeks at a time studying ecosystems. Do you know what a degree is, skeet? Or is that some new-fangled nut-jobber liberal thingy, too?




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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 04:19 PM


I forgot to add, despite you're claim that you would not maim anything, I refer to your offer of $25, complete with instructions on removing the fangs. So other than that, ok, you're probably right. the capture part I'm just going to let go. Because you clearly captured these animals. Unless you whistled a tune and they followed you north? Could be, I guess.



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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 04:23 PM


skeet:
what is this nonsense about liberal scientists never leaving the office?
most of those liberal scientists chose their profession because they could look forward to government grants funding a career out in the field instead of a career sitting behind a desk!
your tax dollars are paying for liberal scientists to spend their professional time in the out-of-doors, exploring/traveling/climbing/hiking/camping all over the world!
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 04:34 PM


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McFez"

Oh! You Poor Child.
Do you not know what is Normally contained in a Diaper?? Has nothing to do with India> If Fact I have an Indian{Hindu} Doctor who preformed a Triple Bypass on me.

McFez Have you finished Hi Sxhool yet?


You need to get out more often...the term Diaper head has change....around the 1970's. .......but you knew that already.


You assume your Dr is a Hindu......that's funny too. There are Christianity and Islam groups in that part of the world also. But....I am sure that your Triple Bypass Doctor has a huge banner on his/her wall claiming his/hers religion :rolleyes:


Did I finish "Hi Sxhool"? Gods....hopefully not the one you attended! It's spelled.........."High School" .

Now...about them snakes that you are relocating......FOOLISH idea. In fact...plain ol stupid.

Guam, like Hawaii, has no native snake species. Its bird fauna had adapted to life without slithering predators. Then, in 1950's the US military probably accidentally introduced this species on cargo from other Pacific islands. The result today is a massive invasion of these snakes. Densities are around 13,000 snakes per square mile. Very few native bird species exist.

Wanna talk about what rats did once they were introduced (via ships) to the new World?

Rabbits. Cute little fellers (like Goat666). Australia installed a fence that stretched 2,021 miles to keeps em and other introduced critters out.

Congratulations Skeet....you most likely screwed up a natural habitat.

The real question here is this: did YOU finish High School?




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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 05:14 PM


Skeet, Your kind of weird science is meant for a controlled environment, not the wild, natural habitat. You have no idea what repercussions your act may have had on very sensitive habitat. That being said here's a picture I took of a baby Baja California Rattlesnake (Crotalus enyo) It's really small, less than a 5" diameter coiled up. Quite beautiful I think.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 05:17 PM


Yes, very beautiful... Thanks!



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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 05:19 PM


goldhuntress, Great picture. Thanks.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 05:21 PM


Fantastic photo! I still have not found a C. enyo and I hope to run into one someday. Beautiful snake.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 05:37 PM


This is a great topic.

Skeet, I do have one question. Are the rattlesnakes with rattles communists and the rattleless rattlesnakes socialists or is it the other way around?
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 06:41 PM


Matic:

A Degree??

BS Degree in Criminology/Criminal Investigation

Who's Who among Students in American Colleges and Universitys 1957


How about you?
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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 06:58 PM


I have a degree, yes.



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[*] posted on 5-4-2011 at 07:00 PM


We digress.



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