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The sign says slower traffic keep right. A person who is driving just as fast as the law allows, pinned on 55, 65, or 70 depending on the law CAN NOT
BE SLOWER TRAFFIC assuming there is a speed law.
Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic" , they are simply outlaws who haven't at the moment been pulled over and cited by
the grownups.
I just drove a thousand miles through Oregon, Idaho and Nevada almost entirely on two lane roads, and the number of people who were obviously speeding
was absolutely minimal. I drove for hours in the company of the same vehicles all moving safely along at 55 MPH.
My travel time was almost exactly what the mapping program said it would be, and my fuel mileage was as good as it gets.
I have often fantasized about what I might say to a judge if I was ticketed for the "slower traffic" sign. It would take some explaining to get me to
understand why I was pulled over for inconveniencing a speeder when it would have been just as easy and lot less embarrassing to just ticket the
speeder. Probably a bigger fine too!
People driving slower than the posted speed limit should certainly use the right hand lanes where available; and I do.  |
The law in CA says you WILL use the right hand lane on a 4 or more lane road unless passing another vehicle-----period!!! Those that cruize in the
left lane blocking others from passing them is one of the most dangerous drivers on the road as they are one of the chief instigators of serious ROAD
RAGE in other's. Road Rage is highly dangerous, and causes many very serious accidents, no matter how nutty and immature it is.
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
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I'm with you Barry. Vagabundo makes himself sound like a typical self righteous A* hole.
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David K & Vandenberg: X2
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Left Lane
Also called the number 1 lane.....if you are driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if you are obeying the speed limit, you can be cited for
impeeding the flow of traffic. Move over and get into the far right lane
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"To those who think the speed limit and their speedometer is God:
Unless you have a badge, society did not hire you to enforce speed laws by blocking others going faster than you want to. Wonder if someone back
behind you is trying to get to the hospital! Heart attack, baby coming, child injury... you don't know!
Slow people cause more accidents than fast people when they hog the road.
Today on I-5, everyone in the fast lane had to change lanes to get around someone who thought they had a right to control the speed and drove slower
than everyone else in the fast lane.
Have some manners, keep the fast lane unobstructed for faster traffic...! "
This! I have no problem with anyone going the speed limit. Just don't do it in the fast lane and block those who want to go faster. You are not put
here on the highway to enforce the speed limit, and by doing so you endanger everyone else on the road. The fact is, whether you like it or not, most
of the time there are those who are going to speed. Move over and let them go so they don't have to swerve around you into other lanes. If you insist
on staying in the fast lane despite all the disruption you are causing because you are "right," you are the problem.
BTW, I am not a habitual speeder nor am I a reckless driver. I have NEVER, not once, caused an accident in the 40 or so years I've been driving. But
I don't plop my ass into the fast lane and try to regulate everyone else's driving, either. Anyone who does is a control freak and an ass. JMHO.
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Ha! It changed my original wording from a** to burro! Never knew it could do that! Very clever, admin...
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And why was everyone saying to "do in Mexico as the Mexicans do" when it comes to stop signs, but when we take it back to the US and speed limits all
the sudden everyone got all self-righteous about it? Has anyone ever driven in the US and NOT seen half the drivers speeding given the opportunity?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
And why was everyone saying to "do in Mexico as the Mexicans do" when it comes to stop signs, but when we take it back to the US and speed limits all
the sudden everyone got all self-righteous about it? Has anyone ever driven in the US and NOT seen half the drivers speeding given the opportunity?
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I wish our little town would do like they do in Mexico and install a few topes, especially by our one and only crosswalk.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Also called the number 1 lane.....if you are driving slower than the flow of traffic, even if you are obeying the speed limit, you can be cited for
impeeding the flow of traffic. Move over and get into the far right lane |
But watch out for trucks stopped at truck scale exit. This happened this week on I-5 at the San Onofre truck scale exit killing the driver and her 4
year old daughter:
fox5sandiego.com/2013/12/.../northbound-i-5-closed-after-fatal-accident
Bob Durrell
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Such a sad scene... the news said she was going extremely fast (in the slow lane) and never braked, seemingly not looking (?)... so texting comes to
mind. She leaves behind a husband and her other child... tragic.
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Sure a lot of self righteous SOB's thinking they are the authority on speed limits on 5. Go around if you don't like the speed of the driver in
front of you and skip the sermons.
Impeding the flow of traffic speeding on 5 is a good thing. Slow the F down and get a life. Speeding is the primary cause of traffic accidents
in Baja and on 5.
Assumptions suck.
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nothing more uncomfortable than being in front of someone who wants to do 90 in a 65 limit 2 lane road with lotsa no pass areas.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
The sign says slower traffic keep right. A person who is driving just as fast as the law allows, pinned on 55, 65, or 70 depending on the law CAN NOT
BE SLOWER TRAFFIC assuming there is a speed law.
Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic" , they are simply outlaws who haven't at the moment been pulled over and cited by
the grownups.
I just drove a thousand miles through Oregon, Idaho and Nevada almost entirely on two lane roads, and the number of people who were obviously speeding
was absolutely minimal. I drove for hours in the company of the same vehicles all moving safely along at 55 MPH.
My travel time was almost exactly what the mapping program said it would be, and my fuel mileage was as good as it gets.
I have often fantasized about what I might say to a judge if I was ticketed for the "slower traffic" sign. It would take some explaining to get me to
understand why I was pulled over for inconveniencing a speeder when it would have been just as easy and lot less embarrassing to just ticket the
speeder. Probably a bigger fine too!
People driving slower than the posted speed limit should certainly use the right hand lanes where available; and I do. |
The law in CA says you WILL use the right hand lane on a 4 or more lane road unless passing another vehicle-----period!!! Those that cruize in the
left lane blocking others from passing them is one of the most dangerous drivers on the road as they are one of the chief instigators of serious ROAD
RAGE in other's. Road Rage is highly dangerous, and causes many very serious accidents, no matter how nutty and immature it is.
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
Barry |
Couple of questions Barry. What does the law say about people driving faster than the posted speed limit? My understanding is that there is a law
against that similar to the one against driving slower than the speed limit in the fast lane. It became illegal to drive slower than the speeders
because of the speeders, not because of law abiding citizens. BOTH are now VIOLATIONS.
Second question. What does it say about the mental/emotional stability of a person who goes into a "rage" when they encounter someone obeying the law?
Conversely, what does it say about a citizen who is observed being a team player and playing by the rules?
Third question. When did it become my responsibility to violate the speed limit, or be constantly inconvenienced by having to speed up, slow down, and
repeatedly change lanes in order to prevent nutty and immature" people from flying into a deadly rage?
You concluded:
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
EXACTLY!!!! This whole moral argument is about the people who cruise in the left lane; the VAST majority of whom are violating the law by speeding.
Speed is a factor in 1/3 of all highway deaths. Speeders have an excessive closing speed as they approach vehicles moving at a legal speed which
certainly invites trouble.
Clearly, people responding to this thread who routinely break the law are quite judgmental about people who don't.
Kgryfon says that he is above the law because he "wants" to be. He claims: But I don't plop my burro into the fast lane and try to regulate everyone
else's driving, either. Anyone who does is a control freak and an burro. JMHO.
You DO plop your arse in the fast lane, that is your point. You demand the exclusive use of that lane. You DO try to regulate everyone's driving by
trying to make them drive YOUR speed; faster than is legally allowed. You come off like a control freak, when you try to control (and change) my legal
driving habits, and your opinion (judgments) are anything but "humble" considering you are the speeder.
JMconsideredO This may be another one of those ACA vs amygdala things judging by what I know of the politics of the persons posting on each side.
That might be the most interesting part of the whole discussion. light: The thing that comes to mind is that I've never heard a liberal make fun of a
Prius. The Prius and Prius drivers being considered a negative thing comes from a different bunch of people. Maybe there is an enlightening
connection?
[Edited on 12-22-2013 by vgabndo]
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Vgabndo, Kgryfon is a she not a he, and I never said I speed. I said I don't plop my burro in the fast lane and try to regulate everyone else. I
rarely get in the fast lane - as far as I'm concerned it's like posting a sign that says "give me a ticket." What I do observe, on a daily basis
during my hour commute each way, is people in the fast lane going slow and peeing everyone else off. The drivers who want to go faster swerve into
the right lanes to get around the slow person driving in the fast lane, endangering everyone else on the road. Happens all the time, it's unnecessary,
and the slow driver needs to get the heck out of the fast lane. Want to drive the speed limit? Fine with me. Just move over to the slow lane. That's
all.
My own mother used to do this. Made me crazy. She also refused to back off and let people merge into traffic on the freeway, since she was there
first. Was she legally correct? Probably so - after all, incoming traffic is supposed to adjust to the existing traffic on the freeway, not the other
way around. Was she right? No. She was impeding normal traffic flow and creating a dangerous situation for everyone else on the road. She was the
nicest person in general but when she got behind the wheel she became some sort of crusader about her "right of way" and "It's the speed limit"
instead of just chilling out and letting the other drivers do their thing. It was dangerous and silly and self righteous. When I'm on a two lane road
and the guy behind me wants to go faster, I take the first turn out and let them pass. And as I said, I don't plop my burro in the fast lane and try
to regulate everyone else. I don't care who you are or what the speed limit is - that's not the point. If you are going slower than the rest of the
traffic in your lane, move over and let them go about their business. You can laugh at them when you drive by as they are getting a ticket if that
makes you feel any better.
I have no idea what the Prius has to do with this conversation. I've never noticed a Prius driver doing the "righteous 55" act, so I'm not sure what
your point is with that comment, or with how you are trying to somehow make a connection with "bad driving habits" to politics and, specifically,
liberals. Seems a bit of a stretch there.
Here's a link to an article from Road and Travel Magazine on slow drivers in the fast lane that you may find useful, and a couple of quotes:
"It's a basic concept taught in driver's ed. Slow traffic stay to the right. Faster traffic uses the high-speed lanes. What's not to understand?"
"When drivers drive too slow in the high-speed lane many dangerous situations can occur. First, it creates a long line of frustrated drivers behind
the slow poke. Most wait patiently in hopes the slow guy pulls over, but others will begin to tailgate. While this in itself is illegal and dangerous,
frustration builds, transforming law-abiding citizens into road warriors."
Here's the full link: http://www.roadandtravel.com/carcare/drivetooslow.htm
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Oh, and I never said I was above the law, not because I "want" to be or for any other reason. Don't "quote" me on something I never said.
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"Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic..." Yes, they are. Don't know what planet you are from but it doesn't matter one
whit if they are breaking the legal law. That's not your business. That's between them and the law. They are still "faster traffic" and you should
get out of the way, move to the slow lane and go about your business. That's what I do. It's called defensive driving and common sense.
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Once again in classic Nomad fashion this post has morphed beyond recognition of the initial post  I love this place!
Merry Christmas to ALL!
In Memory of E-57
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I'm old and I got to do a lot of crazy things when I was young. I lived in Vegas when Nevada had no speed limits on the highways. The law was "A
speed appropriate to the condition of the weather, the road, the road condition, the time of day, the ability of the driver and the safety and
capacity of the vehicle" (not ver batim) Took two trips to Reno and back at just under 130 MPH. It was a kick to pass the Highway patrol and just
wave. The danger on that drive was not vehicles but wild burros which hung near the water around little desert towns --- needless to say drivers
slowed waaay down to almost an idle in and around those 7 little towns on the way.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alan
Once again in classic Nomad fashion this post has morphed beyond recognition of the initial post I love this place!
Merry Christmas to ALL! |
And morph they do. We love one of the local young highway patrol guys. He must have eyes all around his head. One day we saw him doing paper work
parked in one of his favorite places and two cars went screaming by. We were sure he missed seeing them. But it appears that he dotted an i, crossed
a t, added a period, and he came screaming by us in hot pursuit.
Then a couple of days ago, he was out of his car chatting with the local BBQ owner when we were walking to our Post Office. One van flew by in this
35 mph speed zone and he was passing on the right and left. We were sure our highway patrol guy missed him as when we walked by him, he said hello
and then was faced away from the street. Is was seconds before off he went red lights and siren a blaring. And we were very glad.
We certainly have been known to speed in some areas, but along here, it really is dangerous. Even where the highway appears to be "open", there is
cross traffic.
Again, I wish we would import the tope idea from Mexico for small highway towns divided by a highway!
[Edited on 12-23-2013 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Kgryfon
Vgabndo, Kgryfon is a she not a he, and I never said I speed. I said I don't plop my burro in the fast lane and try to regulate everyone else. I
rarely get in the fast lane - as far as I'm concerned it's like posting a sign that says "give me a ticket." What I do observe, on a daily basis
during my hour commute each way, is people in the fast lane going slow and ******* everyone else off. The drivers who want to go faster swerve into
the right lanes to get around the slow person driving in the fast lane, endangering everyone else on the road. Happens all the time, it's unnecessary,
and the slow driver needs to get the heck out of the fast lane. Want to drive the speed limit? Fine with me. Just move over to the slow lane.
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The more you write, the more self righteous and moralistic the writing becomes. Who made you the authority on slow, fast, legal speeds?
If you share a road with stupid drivers, I got it. In my life of driving I-5, Southern California, I have never seen a driver ''plopping their
burro'' in the fast lane. I'd say traffic all moves (eh, that would be 4 lanes in each direction) at a slower and faster rate, and there are
people wanting to exceed the speed limit. That would be 70 mph.
I see plenty of those people GO AROUND and they are doing 75-85mph.
When I see accidents on I-5, and I see plenty on this road, it's ALWAYS EXCESSIVE SPEED.
It could be argued the speeders are colliding with the driver's who are driving too slow in any lane. I'd argue the speeders are the one's
getting cited for unsafe speed.
Gringoes speeding SOB are the stupid, unsafe drivers. I could be wrong.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
The sign says slower traffic keep right. A person who is driving just as fast as the law allows, pinned on 55, 65, or 70 depending on the law CAN NOT
BE SLOWER TRAFFIC assuming there is a speed law.
Anyone driving faster than the speed limit isn't "faster traffic" , they are simply outlaws who haven't at the moment been pulled over and cited by
the grownups.
I just drove a thousand miles through Oregon, Idaho and Nevada almost entirely on two lane roads, and the number of people who were obviously speeding
was absolutely minimal. I drove for hours in the company of the same vehicles all moving safely along at 55 MPH.
My travel time was almost exactly what the mapping program said it would be, and my fuel mileage was as good as it gets.
I have often fantasized about what I might say to a judge if I was ticketed for the "slower traffic" sign. It would take some explaining to get me to
understand why I was pulled over for inconveniencing a speeder when it would have been just as easy and lot less embarrassing to just ticket the
speeder. Probably a bigger fine too!
People driving slower than the posted speed limit should certainly use the right hand lanes where available; and I do. |
The law in CA says you WILL use the right hand lane on a 4 or more lane road unless passing another vehicle-----period!!! Those that cruize in the
left lane blocking others from passing them is one of the most dangerous drivers on the road as they are one of the chief instigators of serious ROAD
RAGE in other's. Road Rage is highly dangerous, and causes many very serious accidents, no matter how nutty and immature it is.
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
Barry |
Couple of questions Barry. What does the law say about people driving faster than the posted speed limit? My understanding is that there is a law
against that similar to the one against driving slower than the speed limit in the fast lane. It became illegal to drive slower than the speeders
because of the speeders, not because of law abiding citizens. BOTH are now VIOLATIONS.
Second question. What does it say about the mental/emotional stability of a person who goes into a "rage" when they encounter someone obeying the law?
Conversely, what does it say about a citizen who is observed being a team player and playing by the rules?
Third question. When did it become my responsibility to violate the speed limit, or be constantly inconvenienced by having to speed up, slow down, and
repeatedly change lanes in order to prevent nutty and immature" people from flying into a deadly rage?
You concluded:
My personal feeling is that those that cruize in the left lane are just inviting trouble and death, and I think incredibly inconsiderate and
judgemental, at the least..
EXACTLY!!!! This whole moral argument is about the people who cruise in the left lane; the VAST majority of whom are violating the law by speeding.
Speed is a factor in 1/3 of all highway deaths. Speeders have an excessive closing speed as they approach vehicles moving at a legal speed which
certainly invites trouble.
Clearly, people responding to this thread who routinely break the law are quite judgmental about people who don't.
Kgryfon says that he is above the law because he "wants" to be. He claims: But I don't plop my burro into the fast lane and try to regulate everyone
else's driving, either. Anyone who does is a control freak and an burro. JMHO.
You DO plop your arse in the fast lane, that is your point. You demand the exclusive use of that lane. You DO try to regulate everyone's driving by
trying to make them drive YOUR speed; faster than is legally allowed. You come off like a control freak, when you try to control (and change) my legal
driving habits, and your opinion (judgments) are anything but "humble" considering you are the speeder.
JMconsideredO This may be another one of those ACA vs amygdala things judging by what I know of the politics of the persons posting on each side.
That might be the most interesting part of the whole discussion. light: The thing that comes to mind is that I've never heard a liberal make fun of a
Prius. The Prius and Prius drivers being considered a negative thing comes from a different bunch of people. Maybe there is an enlightening
connection?
[Edited on 12-22-2013 by vgabndo] |
Vag-------you are making the situation vastly more complex than I do---------I refer back to the Law: the left lane of any 4 or more lane highway is
a PASSING LANE, period. To treat it as anything else is against the law. I have no problem moving from right lane to left land as I cruze along at
the speed limit, passing when I have to. What others do that does not interfere with my driving is none of my concern or responsibility.
Barry
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