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pacificobob
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Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  | Gnukid.
They say leaders are not the ones who make the right decisions but those who talk the longest and the loudest. Perhaps you'll outlast us all. I've
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i couldn't agree more.
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bajagregg
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Got my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine today at Kaiser Permanente and had an interesting conversation with the LVN. I mentioned that my
sister-in-law got the J & J shot and that it really affected her for a day. The LVN said that is what they are seeing with some some
people with the JNJ shot. She went on to say that the Pfizer shots seem to be best as far as reactions go.
Traveling Baja for 50 years.
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AKgringo
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I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second
one may be more troublesome than the first.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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55steve
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajagregg | | Got my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine today at Kaiser Permanente and had an interesting conversation with the LVN. I mentioned that my
sister-in-law got the J & J shot and that it really affected her for a day. The LVN said that is what they are seeing with some some
people with the JNJ shot. She went on to say that the Pfizer shots seem to be best as far as reactions go. |
I got my 2nd Pfizer this past Sat (3/13) and I was sick for two days.
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KurtG
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second
one may be more troublesome than the first. |
After first Pfizer shot I had a lot of fatigue for two days. Slept a lot and then was fine. Second shot I had chills overnight and then was fine
with no more side effects. I considered both events to be minor and a small price to pay for the benefits. Among my family and friends no
significant side effects have been reported for either Pfizer or Moderna. Don't know anyone who has gotten the J&J.
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elgatoloco
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https://www.google.com/search?q=CRIME+ON+AISIANS&rlz=1C1...
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by KurtG | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | I got my second Pfizer shot at a VA clinic near me today. The reaction after my first shot was almost undetectable, but I was told that the second
one may be more troublesome than the first. |
After first Pfizer shot I had a lot of fatigue for two days. Slept a lot and then was fine. Second shot I had chills overnight and then was fine
with no more side effects. I considered both events to be minor and a small price to pay for the benefits. Among my family and friends no
significant side effects have been reported for either Pfizer or Moderna. Don't know anyone who has gotten the J&J. |
I got the J&J 'one and done' shot, 9 days ago... not one problem, no pain, nada.
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gnukid
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A covid vaccine concern is the affect of the various covid vaccines on the overall viral mutations and potential virus immunity escape.
As more and more people become vaccinated, each vaccinated person is less dependent on natural immunity, nk cells (natural killers), general and
specific anti-bodies, while the virus is in an escalating race with artificial immune responses and subsequent variants, resulting in stronger and
stronger viral mutation, outside of our natural anti-viral response realm of abilities.
While vaccinated people may have an initial successful response, mutating viruses in response to vaccines puts them and those around them more so at
risk of a super-virus or viral escape, creating a "zombie apocalypse".
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
Model analyzes how viruses escape the immune system
https://news.mit.edu/2021/model-viruses-escape-immune-0114
Dire Coronavirus Prediction: Virus Evolving to Escape Current Vaccines, Treatments – “May Be Condemned to Chasing After the Evolving SARS-CoV-2
Continually
https://scitechdaily.com/dire-coronavirus-prediction-virus-e...
New Study of Coronavirus Variants Predicts Virus Evolving to Escape Current Vaccines, Treatments
https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/new-study-coronavirus-va...
Vaccine wars escalate as new antibody escape variants raise the bar
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-vaccine-wars-escalate...
Harvard Epidemiologist Warns People About “Immune Escape” After New COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.boredpanda.com/michael-mina-covid-mutations-vacc...
Immune Escape | Jessica Brinkworth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-ZFinrbLo
The Potential Downsides To mRNA Vaccines For COVID-19?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDrgu4w4pp8
Antigenic Escape
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigenic_escape
Zombie Preparedness
https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm
The CDC Puts Out A Zombie Apocalypse Guide
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-cdc-puts-out-a-...
Crimson Contagion 2019
https://archive.org/details/crimson-contagion-2019
[Edited on 3-19-2021 by gnukid]
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RFClark
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mmunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
gnukid,
So I actually read your above referenced paper. Here is what the lead author said about its relationship to current mRNA vaccines.
“The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the
study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.
He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal
infection”.
He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite
this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”
The above is quoted from a Reuters interview of Tseng!
This is way more effort than is deserved by your theories! Zombie Apocalypse indeed! You need to get a life!
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
gnukid,
So I actually read your above referenced paper. Here is what the lead author said about its relationship to current mRNA vaccines.
“The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the
study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.
He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal
infection”.
He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite
this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”
The above is quoted from a Reuters interview of Tseng!
This is way more effort than is deserved by your theories! Zombie Apocalypse indeed! You need to get a life!
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Here is the studies conclusion, (not mine), it's something to consider.
"Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led
to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a
SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated."
Great to be having a discussion on potential long term affects, risk versus reward of the experimental vaccines with you!
Have A Great Weekend
[Edited on 3-19-2021 by gnukid]
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BajaMama
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Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in
the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this
past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in
the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this
past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks. |
You CAN make an appointment
https://covid19.ca.gov/
People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re
eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.
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Bajabus
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In any case I am glad to see people taking COVID seriously and getting vaccinated. I eagerly await my next Pfizer shot here in B.C.S.
[Edited on 3-29-2021 by BajaNomad]
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
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I saw HRC and thought we were gonna have a discussion about Ken Roczen!.........BRAAAAAP
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Sitting in my car, I saw white tents and one black tent.
I got routed to the black tent.
They lowered the tent flaps.
It got dark and I don't remember what happened next.
I wake up and my truck is in a parking place fifty feet from the black tent.
Suddenly, my phone starts vibrating and the girl voice from Google maps starts calling my name.
I answer "what do you want"
She says in a new loud voice that "you are now 5G"
Everybody's happy and they now use me as a mobile hot spot, Never been more popular in my whole life.
Get your vaccine and bring 5G to Baja
Es Todo Bueno
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ligui
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Man ! You guys need to get la-d. 
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AKgringo
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 Ted, can I get some of whatever you are on?
[Edited on 3-19-2021 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in
the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this
past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks. |
You CAN make an appointment
https://covid19.ca.gov/
People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re
eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.
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Unfortunately., Multiple Sclerosis and Hypertension are excluded from the list of current eligibility. I did go on line to schedule but it rubs me
the wrong way to lie. I'm good to wait - I am retired and am not at risk of catching or spreading.
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I'm up around 30 Gigahertz and holding steady 
Es Todo Bueno
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 You beat
me to it..... WTF ????
Don't believe everything you think....
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