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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | John : I find myself mainly in agreement with those posts. This latest variant has the appearance of one that will rapidly spread globally, and have
far milder outcomes and fewer fatalities. It may actually be our best shot at achieving herd immunity at lowered fatality rates and we will not have
been the cause other than spreading out the number of variations until a milder more rapidly transmitting one was finally produced.
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Thanks, you seem quite thoughtful about this topic as well.
I saw our school district purchase air purifiers, disinfectant wipes, sprayers for desks, hand washing stations, etc. Now, none of that is utilized.
Masks are our only safety protocol. Perhaps we abandoned something that actually was additionally effective? I don't have the answers, nor feel
able to conjecture a solution. Maybe nothing is effective, IDK.
It's hard to reflect when the war is clearly still raging.
John
[Edited on 12-19-2021 by John Harper]
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I'm watching South Africa for how they come through this. They had far fewer MRNa vaccines made available to them, since Omicron arrived there, their
hospitalizations are declining, people show far milder symptoms, recover faster and random testing showed over 80% of the population carrying Covid
antibodies. That used to be the level we were told would achieve herd immunity.
But it's still early days, and we will have to wait and see. For those that have stronger reactions to the virus, I hope our elected leaders are now
loading up on the most effective therapeutic treatments that have so far been discovered.
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I doubt the ceo of southwest has reams of data that masks don’t work on airplanes.
https://www.kten.com/story/45470778/delta-ceo-masks-are-stil...
| Quote: | | Parker appeared at the hearing to agree with Kelly, saying, "I concur. An aircraft is the safest place you can be. It's true of all of our aircraft
— they all have the same HEPA filters and air flow." But after the hearing American Airlines walked back Parker's remarks, saying that his
concurrence with Kelly was on the point about the quality of the air in the aircraft cabin, not mask requirements. |
It is a little premature to say how severe omicron will be.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/omicron-g...
| Quote: | | There was no evidence of omicron cases being less severe than delta, based on the proportion of people testing positive who had symptoms or went to
the hospital, the team said. |
It would not be surprising if omicron is less deadly, that is exactly what happened to the Spanish flu.
I think it’s a little early to be saying vaccines or prior immunity aren’t effective at preventing serious illness.
I wouldn’t celebrate the increase in Covid cases in New York too much, it will spread to other states even those with fewer vaccinated people.
I expect we will see omicron spread in baja soon. It is likely already there.
[Edited on 12-20-2021 by Purdyd]
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This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. This is Mexico, of course, but I believe
we/they all want expression, reason and the free-flow of ideas here as well, so that all may be better informed and capable of making their own
opinions.
So ideas, good or bad, are put to discussion. They stand up or do not. The strong ones are adopted by others, and so on it goes. When someone posts
something that another believes is wrong--rebut!
Name calling and labels such as "misinformation" and "ignorance," without specific rebuttal, is worthless. It does not persuade anyone; actually it
only serves to discount that person's opinion.
50 pages and some just continue to name-call and throw out generalisations rather than any substantive rebuttal....:
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | | This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. : |
Blatant, an demonstratively proven lies, as well as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater are hardly the "marketplace of ideas."
Welcome to the Jungle!
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"Fire" would be protected except where, such as in a crowded movie theatre, there is an overriding "substantial state interest" in protecting its
citizens.
Lies, generally, are protected speech, and are especially so when they are in regard to political matters, which receive the highest level of First
Amendment protection. The "marketplace," so the reasoning goes, is actually what discounts and protects us from those lies.
A life of fears leads to a death bed of regrets.
Find someone who will take care of you, and take care of them.
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Lancent, NIH and CDC are sources even Nomads can consider while understanding the risk
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Can anyone provide any support to show the vaccines are working?
Third phase series studies?
Animal studies?
Vaccines injuries in initial phase use?
Blind studies?
Why not? Becuase they do not exist? Why are these products in use with no demonstrable proof of efficacy?
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| Quote: Originally posted by 100X | This is the "Marketplace of Ideas" the US Supreme Court has discussed and protected since the Bill of Rights. This is Mexico, of course, but I believe
we/they all want expression, reason and the free-flow of ideas here as well, so that all may be better informed and capable of making their own
opinions.
So ideas, good or bad, are put to discussion. They stand up or do not. The strong ones are adopted by others, and so on it goes. When someone posts
something that another believes is wrong--rebut!
Name calling and labels such as "misinformation" and "ignorance," without specific rebuttal, is worthless. It does not persuade anyone; actually it
only serves to discount that person's opinion.
50 pages and some just continue to name-call and throw out generalisations rather than any substantive rebuttal....: |
I like this new guy, a lot. Adds a bunch to the forum.
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John Harper
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You gotta be kidding! Quite a few of us get our voices silenced regularly on this "privately owned" site. I have no problem with that, because it's
"privately owned." But free exchange of ideas is not a right on BN. Nothing to pee and moan about, just the way it is.
I've never whined to a moderator. How about you?
Never sent a PM someone to whine. How about you?
John
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Does anyone ask what is a virus?
How do humans intercommunicate information?
What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?
How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?
What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?
Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Does anyone ask what is a virus?
How do humans intercommunicate information?
What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?
How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?
What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?
Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?
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Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?
John
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Ask and research what is bacteria, what is virus-the dead protein, why do we excrete so much cellular garbage?
Why is so much unknown?
Why is virus still a theory and not fact?
What is health?
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Does anyone ask what is a virus?
How do humans intercommunicate information?
What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?
How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?
What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?
Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?
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Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?
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Personal attacks are used by people with no argument, I do not use drugs, I am a librarian sharing basic information with senior citizens who are
being misled toward harmful use of genetic modification that is causing significant harm.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Ask and research what is bacteria, what is virus-the dead protein, why do we excrete so much cellular garbage?
Why is so much unknown?
Why is virus still a theory and not fact?
What is health?
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What is the point of your post? You obviously won't find many deep thinkers on Baja Nomad. And those of us who are, really have seen far too much of
your rambling discourse to give it any merit.
Buenos tardes, amigo!
Juan
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Does anyone ask what is a virus?
How do humans intercommunicate information?
What is Messenger RNA? How do people communicate basic environmental information?
How or why do women become synchronized in procreation cycles?
What is intercommunication of messenger RNA?
Is it chemical, electro magnetic frequency, or do you believe that puss, bacteria and snot is the method of intercommunication?
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Has anyone told you taking LSD for years might be an issue?
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Personal attacks are used by people with no argument, I do not use drugs, I am a librarian sharing basic information with senior citizens who are
being misled toward harmful use of genetic modification that is causing significant harm.
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Paul,
You are in your 50s, that makes you a senior citizen. Did one of your little kites drop you on your head? Did Fred and Janet drop you on your little
head? Repeatedly?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | The fraud perpetrated here by a few to promote fear is significant harming children, seniors and all families, this is intentional murder of children
and seniors and these people must be prosecuted for their crimes. |
ONLY criminal on this forum is you Paul! NYPost is your source? Too much time goofing when you should be working at the library.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Sure was nice around here with you gone.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Why are you guys responding to him?
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | In today’s news:
“Full vaccination against COVID-19 and a breakthrough infection builds 'super immunity,' study finds”
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Just heard from a friend that one of her closest friends just died on a ventilator of Covid. 40 year old woman, healthy, fully vaccinated, including
booster, sought medical care as soon as she had symptoms. Left 2 children, who she never saw again after being hospitalized.
People need to stop thinking this is going away anytime soon, or that it's time to stop wearing your mask and go to concerts or attend events.
[Edited on 12-21-2021 by surabi]
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That is a really valid question.
Since everything he posts is either wrong, misquoted., or my favorite is when he makes a point and his link actually refutes it, I would say this is
harmless trolling.
But then I see some one post and say, “hey good point.”
And that makes me stop and think.
I’ve been trundling along in my own little bubble world and suddenly I’m finding out there are people who think fox is fake news. Well duh.
But then in the same breath they say so I only believe Cnn. News, and that stops me in my tracks.
Because of course they both slant the news.
And while I love a good conspiracy theory and contrarian views on things there comes a time when they are harmful.
In the past I might dismiss the qanon movement or flat earth society as tongue in cheek sarcasm or even pure comedy. And undoubtedly there are some
chuckling every day as they come up with more and more outlandish claims for their supporters while raking in money.
In the past that might have sold snake oil.
There are people, and a lot, who unfortunately believe these things.
I suppose it should not be a surprise, history is filled with cults.
For example the not so recent heavens gate episode which also intersects with rise of the internet.
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/heavens-gate-20-years-l...
And it has come to light how companies such as Facebook are using algorithms to further support someone’s view on the world, creating a vicious
feedback loop.
And I would not discount that foreign powers are using this to their advantage or even creating these narratives.
And so I now believe this stuff is not so harmless.
And it is important to share facts and correct untruths,
In a civil manner.
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