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Sharksbaja
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I read somewhere here about domestic workers who were out of work because their gringo employers no longer had houses for them to work in, with future
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Where/who are they?? I'll put em to work.
Bring shovels, picks, wheelbarrows and gloves.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
Besides short term support and relief efforts - which have been GREAT - what are likely to be the needs over the next few months, or for the next year
or so?
I'm thinking about a way to continue with a fundraising effort here on the BajaNomad site (possibly minor), but would want it to be for real
need/benefit specific to supporting recovery from the storm.
What would be of real benefit for any further funds that could be raised over the next few weeks/months?
Contact me privately if necessary - even to tell me you question this decision.
Thanks,
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we need things to set up temp housing lots of plastic tarps propane cook tops cots and Bedding things like that
Bruce R Leech
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Al G
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Would it be of any help to form a group of craftsmen, from all industry's. to teach by way of community projects.
If this is something worth considering, why not post what you could participate in.
Of coarse I am speaking about a month or two down the road.
[Edited on 9-10-2006 by Al G]
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Gadget
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
God Bless all of You People!!!
There are many out there they would like to Help, that are Physically unable to do so.
Recently I placed many of my "Ole Baja Books" for Sale including an Original "Log of The Sea of Cortez" 1968 Edition along with several of Arnold
Senteriff's Baja Airguides/
I will resubmit and sell with ALL the Proceeds going to the Victums of Juan and especially the Poor Mountain People.
Anyone can email me at Sonrisa1821@sbcglobal.net or Call 806-6221821 for the complete Listing and Prices/offers, that way will not Clog up this Great
Board.
Anyone going down by Air, remember you can get an old Suitcase and fill it with Clothes -I extra suitcase will usually get through Customs.
I am also working on a large amount of clothing from a Church in Dos Palos Calif{about 15 miles off of Interstate 5 near Santa Nella Calif. and Hwy
152.
Will need some one to go by and pick them up.
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FYI we tried to get 3 vans with clothes across in TJ that we collected through our church for the homeless shelter. One of the vans that was very
full got turned back. We were told it was illegal to import used clothes into Mex. Same story at Otay. I guess the loads have to be small and
un-obvious and you need to be a smuggler to help the less fortunate. We are trying to get a crew together to head down mid week. Collecting info
from this site to make our plan. Thanks for all the efforts.
God bless
[Edited on 9-10-2006 by Gadget]
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Pescador
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After sitting glued to my computer in Colorado (wishing I was in baja) and reading all the posts it dawned on me that by the collective efforts of all
those that are involved a whole lot was accomplished. The cry of alarm was sounded and people from all walks of life got involved and did what they
could do. Some got fundraising and collection started, some went door to door and interviewed people to see who was ok and who needed immediate help,
some took pictures and posted stories on the internet, some (like Doug) stayed up all night to get his overloaded web site back up and functional,
some called newspapers and media and got some coverage that was long overdue, and some flew their airplanes or drove their cars to get supplies across
the border and into the hands of the people who were in need. This jumps in direct contrast to the bueracratic bumbling of the response to Katrina,
which proves that if you want a job done successfully you probably need to do it yourself. I am impressed by how well everyone pitched in, rolled up
their sleeves, and went to work. There is still a lot to be done but from where I sit listening to Bruce and others it does seem to be underway in a
big way.
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Gadget
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| Quote: | How savvy were the folks trying to do the "importation"?
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Well Larry, one of the people in the van was myself and in my young and dumb youth I was successful ( if you want to call it that ) at moving.. how
shall I put it, "goods" across the border. I figured since I was working for the Lord now and not the other guy, I would be honest and declare what
we had. NOT! At least the guy in TJ was nice, the customs guy in Otay was very not nice to us. Anyway, we had fun once turned around giving most of
the van load away to the poor folk along the border line right in front of Mr. happy.
Gadget
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rts551
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Gadget
Why didn't you just pay the Tax?
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Gadget
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rts551
You can't pay import tax on something that is illegal to import into any country.
Gadget
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Gadget
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On a slightly different subject before I call it a day. I saw a posted list calling for 4x4 help. Anyone have a handle on that one. I can't find it
now. I have a very modified, all wheel drive full size Bronco with long travel suspension, 9500 lb Warn winch and lots of scoots. I am starting to
think that may be my call as there is lots of stuff to get un-stuck. I can pull on something from 150' away, which a tractor can't always do. Thanks
all
Gadget
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Offroad
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Gadget -
Very nice of you to help out. Bottom line is that your good deed ended up in hands that appreciated your effort and will put the clothing to good use.
There was a reply on this site that Mulege has received more than enough clothing, so it sounds like everything worked out well and that your
contribution went to some others in need.
Thanks for helping!
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barnes
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Obviously--Bruce is telling us what to bring down--thank goodness he is on top of it-and informing us--re: all the other stuff--maybe bruce has his
own comments????? My thoughts (when I can still think- I think) are this: The only way it will be good for us American wetbacls (gringos) and our
good friends the Mexican people-we care so much for- is this--teach them-provide the necessary teaching tools--and teach them and do it for
nothing-pay for it- (then for the more non-compassionate of us) they will be able to do the work we need done. If it was done that way in the U.S.
then things might be better to. Some of you came up the hard way--and made it--we know - sometimes giving is wrong - if it goes to those that don't
give a ---anyway. But with good intent and some sembulance of intelligence on who to teach (give a man a fish-or teach a man to fish) then it
normally works. That basically says all I have to say about the long range future of Mexico-and all other countries -- including the USA--when we
forget about our neighbors-then we hurt ourselves.
Enough said--even simple things like borrowing Home Depots" vcrs" on construction-duping them and providing vcrs(how many extra ones do you have in
your home) Of course need someone to translate them into mexican(maybe Alacran(Paul) Simple things--what do you know that you can teach?? How many
tools can you bring down that don't really mean anything to you any more??? Me too??
Through desperation and destruction a light can shine through! All of you have done so much on this site--and many of you are doing so much now in
Mulege--No body is paying you - you are doing it because you want to or Have To-because that is the way you are--we all need more of you. Thank you.
Joe Barnes and Betty
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toneart
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I like and am paraphrasing Dave on the issue of getting donations through Aduana, which was in Questions and Answers:
The basic premise is, tell them what you are doing and what it is for. That usually works. If they turn you back, go back and try again.
Each crossing has a different dynamic. Those dynamics change
depending on the individuals involved. It is interactive. It depends on so many factors; the personalities of the individuals, their moods at the
time, prejudices, lessons learned or not by previous border crossing experiences, how much sleep they've gotten,etc. In a perfect world this would not
be an issue, but this is not a perfect world.
Bless you all. You are all working toward the same altruistic purpose, and apparently many are getting through.
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toneart
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I have been told that The Mexican Military is in Mulege and has been providing security and is helping to clean out the flooded houses. They have also
provided airlifts by helicoptor.Kudos to the Mexican Military if this is true.
It is my opinion that the recovery has to occur in two stages:
First-- getting people stabilized with food, water, clothing and temporary housing. Bruce has been telling us what is needed.
At the same time the clean up must be done before toxic mold sets in and creates a health hazzard. Also, the mosquito abatement must be done now.
Second--After the above is accomplished, the repair and/or rebuilding can begin.
Would it be possible for all people in all neighborhoods to share and pass on whatever workers you can assemble to help you, to complete the first
priorities before the repair and rebuilding stage begins? Or, perhaps organize within your neighborhoods, but see that no neighborhood is overlooked.
Obviously, aid will have to continue long after the acute part of the crisis has passed.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Does this old Heart good to see the reaction and Help from the "People Lovers". God has indeed "Blessed Youall!"
Glad to hear that Clothes are Abundant; How about the Kids in the Mountains????.
Some of you may be surpised at the ability of the Mexicanos to Survive and Live on the "Bare Essientials: I refer you to the Large Campo that was
formed just before you went into Manadero many years ago. It was formed to Protest the Lack of Housing for the many incoming Workers-Result- The Govt.
came in and started the Large Colonia on the Left, just before you get to the Military Stop going South out of Manadero.
The Power of Survivial- The Power of People in Large Numbers- It was a Peaceful Operation.
All of your Ideas are Great--Keep up the Good Work and Remember the Kids in the Mountains!!
Skeet/Loreto
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
the Large Colonia on the Left, just before you get to the Military Stop going South out of Manadero. |
El
Zorillo.
And they've moved the military stop now.
[Edited on 9-11-2006 by BajaNomad]
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vgabndo
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This just in, and I promised to post it.
From Patsi:
We just returned from Mulege and the damage is unreal. But there is good news. The power is back on and they have both water from the system and
purified drinking water from Agua 2000. Every store that is able is open and well stocked. Grocery stores and tourist shops alike. Both gas
stations are up and running and ice is available. The military is here and helping dig out as well as delivering food to those who lost everything.
They make the rounds twice a day with food. I am not trying to down play the horror of this but it is getting better and help is here. There are
such a resiliant, wonderful people--they can be in mud up to their elbows and they smile and wave as you go by and then throw another shovelful of mud
out of the house. It's true that when they have a chance to see what they can salvage and what they cannot there will be a lot of things needed--I
don't think there is one dry mattress left in all of Mulege--and I know from first hand experience how long it takes a saturated mattress to drip
dry--But even those who were totally buried in mud have clean laundry waving in the breeze now. There is help here and hope is alive. But we don't
want people to forget them either. Soon they will need so many things.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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EngineerMike
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There are some dry mattresses at:
http://villaclairedelores.cabanova.com/
where the proprietress, Wendy hosted us Saturday evening. Dry beds & towels, tho water was still scarce & showers short. The patio shot is
every bit as spectacular as the photo and more, and the sunrise over the mouth of Rio Mulege is second to none. Like many tourist businesses in
Mulege right now, the help is "on vacation" due to lack of customers, so services are minimal and proprietors are doing 3 jobs to assist gringos
attempting to go about post-flood business. Like the owner at Las Casitas restaurant serving, pouring drinks, etc., tho when we accused him of
cooking also he said no, he had a cook.
Hats off to the proprietors, especially Wendy who picked us up @ Serenidad strip & helped manage distribution of donations thru the Bomberos. I
highly recommend Villa Claire Delores, which is above the mosquitoes and below the clouds. For those looking for a bit of cardio work, take your
mountain bike, park in town, and spin your way up the hill. Before descending, check brakes, helmet, pads, nerve and your life insurance premiums.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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EngineerMike
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Gadget- They have a tow truck in town, but that winch could come in handy for a variety of heavy lifting. If you could rig a boom, like a cherry
picker, you'd be a hero big time. Lotta boats to pick up & put back on trailers, to name just one chore (like take the boat off the car kinda
thing).
Just need to decide where to stay. Hotels in town are somewhat to maybe full w/evacuees; Serenidad might have rooms & services working by the
time you get there, try calling them or emailing. If you want to live the high life, try Wendy's (see above), and you'll have no problem with the
driveway.
Cliff Taylor @ the Oasis is temporarily out of dry beds, needless to say, as is the Cuesta Real east of Oasis. Cliff will be sidelined for a while.
I hope to see Cuesta Real open sooner, tho I didn't get down there to see what shape they are in (I'd guess about 4' of water/mud?).
In other news, Mely is doing a remodel for the next 2 weeks that he was planning before John hit the fan, so he's not open. He got a small amount of
mud in the street, which should be cleaned up by now. Besides a mean taco, Mely can sure swing a shovel. According to him, there was heavy rain in
town, but not that much. The real deluge was upriver a ways, and came through town as a flash flood with water rising fast. I hear that a couple fo
times. Didn't find a viable rain gauge operator anywhere.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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Gadget
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EngineerMike
Gadget- They have a tow truck in town, but that winch could come in handy for a variety of heavy lifting. If you could rig a boom, like a cherry
picker, you'd be a hero big time. Lotta boats to pick up & put back on trailers, to name just one chore (like take the boat off the car kinda
thing).
Copy that Mike. I am heading down Wed AM, Thurs at the latest. Will spam all my friends and family for donations to bring as much rope and blue
tarps as possible. Also bug spray. Any Nomads down there who see this and have a better need let me know. Look for the big blue GSB Bronco Wed or
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BAJAmerican
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IMPORTANT :The Mexican Government has a well established disaster response effort in place throughout the country, with the coordination between
Federal and local, and the assistance between States, impressive.
Sept 12, 200 stoves were delivered to the town to allow people to begin to become self-sufficient more quickly. Since the disaster, over 900 meals a
day are served to residents. These types of relief are available to the American residents as well. It is important to be understood that Mexican
services are available EQUALLY to American residents. (Note: these are not available to tourists without property here).
It is not clearly understood by some of the Americans here that there is NO DIFFERENTIATION made between needy recipients. Americans and Mexicans are
EQUALLY entitled to government assistance, provided, of course that they are here legally and are registered as required by law, with FM3 and property
title or legal rental documents.
There is a lack of info on what the American victims need, and who they are, for that matter. In order to qualify for aid, they must register with the
Procurador Lic. Sergio Villareal Nogales 1 block from the Post Office. They must present themselves with whatever papers they have of residency or
ownership. This process is extremely important to get an accurate assessment of total needs of the ENTIRE community, to distribute benefits equitably.
He will provide written certification of their eligibility as "INDEMNIFICADOS". Without this paper, they are ineligible.
We will try to coordinate translation services for insurance policies. Those whose insurance covers their loss will not receive duplicate government
aid ALSO. It is either /or, to allow greater coverage of benefits, and avoid double dipping. The greater likelihood is that Americans have NEITHER
insurance, NOR register for available indemnification.
It is not that the Government has an intent of ignoring the American residents needs. These people NEED TO REGISTER as soon as possible. PASS THE
WORD.
Also, OFFICIAL Govt info is on http://www.bahiasdebaja.com
Much other info is rumor and not official
There is no separate donation distribution for Americans and Mexicans. ALL clothes etc and other aid goes through the Mulege Fire Department. If you
donate to other pass thru channels - individuals, Rotary, etc. make sure the funds go through the established channels.
RESIDENT Americans eating in restaurants - be careful the food is not local origin. Meat, chicken, etc from flood areas can carry SERIOUS disease.
Translation services for insured individuals will be noted on the site above.
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