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Dave
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Won't argue the point but:
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By insulating, I mean, not paying employees on time, not keeping promises made to Loreto regarding waste management and water problems and not
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Does anyone find it the least bit ironic that a foreign corporation would contract with a Mexican business in order to:
not pay employees on time..
Not keep promises made to Loreto regarding waste management and water problems and,
Not treat employees with respect regarding housing etc. ?
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Don Alley
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LB does express an interest in the workforce, as described in their "Social Sustainability" discussion. It's on their website. There does seem to be a
contradiction between the statements there and some of the actual conditions we've seen. And there also seem to be a contradiction between the
"sustainability" guidlines, policy, sales pitch or whatever they are, and the positions some present here that the status of the workers is simply a
responsibility of the contractors, and not LB.
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Crusoe
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What happened to the older ( 2 weeks ago)Loreto Bay Co. therad?? Why was it moved off?? Any one know?? Thanks
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reefrocket
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Crusoe did you use the search button at the top of the page? I plugged in " Loreto Bay Co. " and found three (?) threads.
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wakemall
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Trust me, it is only a matter of time before LB fails. Either by lack of funds or relization of the poor construction resulting from an earthquake.
Not to mention the lack of planning for water and sewer systems. Anybody that has watched this LB progress, viewed the site, and read all the
information should be smart enough to figure this out.
There will be numerous people that walk away with a lot of money. It will not be the mexican workers that are stacked up in one bedroom housing.
How about the increase in drugs and crime resulting from the LB nightmare? We all know there is a drug problem in Loreto, but it is now visable to
all.
One thing to say, "good bye LB". The sooner the better!
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Don Alley
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Re: sewage systems
LB passed the buck on sewage back to Fonatur. A treatment plant is currently under construction by Fonatur. It's across the highway, near the
development's nursery.
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Dave
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If you can believe sales figures...
| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
Trust me, it is only a matter of time before LB fails. |
given the amount of money they have already made, how could they?
The project might fail, though. 
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jerry
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i have a few questions
are most of the people working at loreto bay from loreto?? or come from the main land??
recently wasnt a large parcel of land south of loreto sold by a large number of familys to the tune of $55,000,000 us dollars
and another large parcel north of loreto in the $27,000,000us bucks by another large number of familys?
are we to tell these people not to sell there land?? what they should spend their money on?
in life as i know it you cant sell it and still have it' (except posibliy the penthouse)
these appear to be long time familys elders that O.K.ed these sales
i dont think the locals had much choise about loreto bay but they do have choses as to there future as loretoians and they are choosing to sell what
they spend their money on is their busness
i allso think that loreto bay is small potatoes compared to the big picture for loreto
loreto was slated as a tourest trap many years ago look at escandeto and nopolo
jerry and judi
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Hola mes amigos!
I am new to this forum, so please forgive typos, redundancy, etc...but I thought this was relevant and disturbing about Loreto Bay...the erudite and
scholarly USA Today which was floating about the major airports last weekend featured an article about Loreto Bay...what amazed me was the b-s
propaganda about how wonderful it will for the entire city...read this:
"The development at the Villages of Loreto Bay, although densely concentrated, aims to keep the aesthetic natural. About 5,000 of its 8,000 acres will
be left as open space. The dwellings are constructed of adobe-style block made on-site. Gardeners tend a 25-acre organic garden. Developers say
they'll create more wind and solar energy than the villages use. They'll harvest more drinking water than residents consume. Transportation will be
via foot, bike and electric cart. And 1% of home sales goes to a non-profit foundation that finances community projects in the historic town.
Clustered around courtyards with roof decks and observation towers, the housing style is Spanish colonial, but the vibe is more Santa Fe than Orange
County.
"We could make it an extension of Southern California, but that's not what we want. That's not what our clients want," says Jim Grogan, president of
the Scottsdale, Ariz.-based Loreto Bay Co.
Nor is it what the town of Loreto wants. "Maybe it's a good thing that Loreto got left behind (30) years ago," mayoral assistant Maria Elba Lombera
says. "We're not playing catch-up, trying to build infrastructure and housing at the same time.
"Loreto will change. But not for the worse. Hopefully."
E-mail jeclark@usatoday.com
The entire miserable article can be found at:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2007-04-05-antic...
I am curious about what you think about this article...
adios,
Baja Girl
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja_Girl
I am curious about what you think about this article...
Baja Girl |
We've heard it all, again and again.
Sales pitch for the clueless.
"Sustainability" cannot work here because of a lack of a key resource: people. Thousands of new residents from mainland Mexico must come here for
Loreto Bay to exist. These people will consume more power and more water than Loreto Bay pretends it will produce. They will not drive electric cars.
They will not live in adobe buildings.
Currently, Loreto Bay produces no fresh water or electricity. They are on the same grid and same water supply as everyone else. No construction for
water or electric development has been initiated.
They have, however, created a morning and evening commuter "rush hour" between Loreto and Nopolo; they have brought urban sprawl to Loreto.
Maybe Don Imus will buy a place there. Commuters can listen to his radio show.
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Baja_Girl
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"Sale pitch for the clueless" - I agree, but isn't it scary that this is being doled out as national news...not only isn't it factual, but (from my
limited but awesome trips to Loreto) not even remotely feasible...it is also scary that the politicans in Loreto who should be especially critical and
monitoring this situation don't seem to understand that if the technology existed to economically generate clean water from salt water, the projects
at Loreto Bay would be dumped like yesterday's pizza crust in favor of serving the affluent (and water-starved) communities in the Florida Keys....do
they really believe this nonsense?
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fdt
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President Calderon will be there thursday, you probably already knew this
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n239013.htm
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja_Girl
"Sale pitch for the clueless" - .......... don't seem to understand that if the technology existed to economically generate clean water from salt
water, the projects at Loreto Bay would be dumped like yesterday's pizza crust in favor of serving the affluent (and water-starved) communities in the
Florida Keys....do they really believe this nonsense?
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BajaGirl, they said they were going to "harvest water" maybe they can use machetes ?
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Baja_Girl
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oh, I get it...silly me, they are gonna use water-plants (such as watermelon and watercress) - which are native to (and only known to) the luminaries
at the Loreto Bay Company.
By the way, I wrote to the LBC and asked them to please, please share their brilliant technological advances in water-harvesting with the rest of the
world...I'll keep you posted...pun intended.
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capn.sharky
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"they are gonna use water-plants (such as watermelon and watercress)"
Baja Girl---What they had been talking about was planting a rain forrest in the mountains. At least it was brought before Fonatur. I like your idea
better---watermelon and watercress. You go, girl.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
"they are gonna use water-plants (such as watermelon and watercress)"
Baja Girl---What they had been talking about was planting a rain forrest in the mountains. At least it was brought before Fonatur. I like your idea
better---watermelon and watercress. You go, girl. |
No, they have dropped that plan. New plan: First, they have developed a geneticaly engineered, specially bred golf course grass that can live on plain
Sea of Cortez salt water. Second, Loreto Bay Laboratories has also developed genetically altered vacation home buyers who can both bathe in and drink
salt water.
And, Loreto Bay will generously donate a portion of their salt water to the city of Loreto.
[Edited on 4-16-2007 by Don Alley]
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backninedan
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Clippings of this new grass (lollipopus gotchurmoney) better know as common "sucker grass", will be recycled as carpet pad for the lovely Loreto
Ghetto condos.
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oldhippie
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I think the development at LB is in for hard times. The development got going during the recent U.S. real estate boom which is now over, no debate
about that. The only debate is how big the bust will be. Therefore the days of fast home sales with huge profits in the U.S. are over until the next
boom. Does that mean the demand for LB homes will significantly decrease? - I would bet on it.
Plus the success of the development is very much tied to the profitablility of the airlines that fly into Loreto. Hasn't that airport opened and
closed at least once? I don't know, but it's entirely possible/probable that the Mex government is subsidizing the airlines to fly into Loreto.
If the flights stop, the development is toast. Which by the way is what it is every summer anyway. It gets freaking hot and sticky during the summer.
Sure, there are water, sewer, social, and other major problems already. But only one thing will determine whether or not this development succeeds,
profits for the developers. If they stop all else will too and the economic picture is not good.
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Guess your perspective depends on whether you're buying or selling.
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bajabeachbabe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
I think the development at LB is in for hard times. The development got going during the recent U.S. real estate boom which is now over, no debate
about that. The only debate is how big the bust will be. Therefore the days of fast home sales with huge profits in the U.S. are over until the next
boom. Does that mean the demand for LB homes will significantly decrease? - I would bet on it.
Plus the success of the development is very much tied to the profitablility of the airlines that fly into Loreto. Hasn't that airport opened and
closed at least once? I don't know, but it's entirely possible/probable that the Mex government is subsidizing the airlines to fly into Loreto.
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I really don't think the real estate boom or bust in the US will ultimately affect LB. Most of the people buying into that development are middle age
to retirement age and much of their disposable money is from inheritance or savings. The aging baby boomers (of which I am one) are the target
audience for all of the development in Loreto.
More flights are coming into Loreto than ever before. I flew out of Loreto on Sunday the 15th and the Alaska flight was completely full.
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