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Human Contribution to global Co2
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[*] posted on 11-5-2014 at 10:05 PM


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This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)

These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history

It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact

Global Analysis - September 2014

Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).

The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 01:42 AM


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I'm ashamed to say I watched this garbage.

Besides being garbage it looks as though this video has been doctored. To me it looks like it's been edited and spliced.
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I'm ashamed to say I watched this garbage.

Besides being garbage it looks as though this video has been doctored. To me it looks like it's been edited and spliced.


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This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)

These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history

It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact

Global Analysis - September 2014

Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).

The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 03:53 PM




Source: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

Trends 2014:

Coldest summer on record at the North Pole
Highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006
Record high August Antarctic ice extent
No major hurricane strikes for eight years
Slowest tornado season on record
No global warming for 17 years
Second slowest fire season on record
Four of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters have occurred since 2008
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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 03:57 PM


Testimony to UN on agriculture's affect on climate change:

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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 04:02 PM


Outstanding ... one day of sampling, lets move with those findings for the entire earth ... or Gores electric bill .... :lol::lol:

the other graph represents 650,000 years of sample data which clearly demostrates the increase in CO2 emission over the past 150 plus years

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I'm ashamed to say I watched this garbage.

Besides being garbage it looks as though this video has been doctored. To me it looks like it's been edited and spliced.


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This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)

These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history

It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact

Global Analysis - September 2014

Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).

The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

[Edited on 11-6-2014 by wessongroup]


There is "talk" and then there are "facts" ... see above :biggrin::biggrin:

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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 04:16 PM


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Source: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

Trends 2014:

Coldest summer on record at the North Pole
Highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006
Record high August Antarctic ice extent
No major hurricane strikes for eight years
Slowest tornado season on record
No global warming for 17 years
Second slowest fire season on record
Four of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters have occurred since 2008


Shame on you gnukid. I went to the source you provided -

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

And found that you had chosen a weekly report to post here when there was the following historic report right next to it which you chose not to post. You have a history of cherry picking data from the internet and presenting them here to numerically prove something.

I suggest you stick to Mauna Loa macademia nuts. Something you are more suited for.

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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 04:22 PM


Clearly, there is change in CO2 ppm, however, attributing the increase to global climate change is not likely, more likely the opposite temperature drives CO2.

Note that in prehistoric times, before industrialization, CO2 was in much higher ppm during periods of greater diversity. CO2 feeds plants which feeds animals. CO2 is life force. Furthermore, note that CO2 is a very minor atmospheric gas.

Now let's focus on reducing actual pollution we can control, such as military weapons detonation, agricultural poison, medical waste dumping, nuclear waste and geo-engineering.
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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 07:19 PM


Let's talk about GMO's instead.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 11-6-2014 at 07:39 PM


The graph is representative of samples obtained from "ice core" sampling and shows exactly what was "found".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Project_for_Ice_Coring...

Again the time frame is 650,000 years, which would take one back to the (Calabrian is a subdivision of the Pleistocene Epoch of the Geologic time scale. ~1.8 Ma.—781,000 years ago ± 5,000 years, a period of ~1.019 million years.) which has not confirmed the "theory" that Greenhouse Effect was on going at anytime for at lest the last 650,000, through scientific sampling with results which in fact support the contention that man has, since the development of the internal combustion engine and the subsequent need for "oil" has lead us to the point in time today and is also illustrated in the graph below

The fact is that there has been increased pollutants in our environment from man's progress in the fields of Chemistry and/or Industrialization

Hence the need for the Environmental Protection Agency in 1970, along with a long list of other agencies and Laws and regulations to "manage" to some degree the negative impact of same to: earth, air, water, fauna and flora over the past 50 years

The first forceful example of "industrialization" vast impact on the planet was the findings in the early 60's ... showing just how wide the impact of just one chemical (DDT) was having on various living organisms within the environment .. Its use was discontinued in the United States, however, it is still use due to its cost and effectiveness in some areas of the world still, mostly in the very poor countries ... and has a tolerance established for how much one can eat with their food, as it is persistence in the environment ... the "parent" ai and its metabolites

That there are countless example of negative environment impacts to the soil, water and air from industrialization should not be in dispute, rather the quantity of "substances" which are introduced, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly ... et al that have a negative impact, measured by science, not talking heads

Personally, I'd rather not wait until the "rivers" are catching fire again, or large areas are made unusable from contamination ... and that would apply to the: soil, water and air ... they are necessary to grow food, provide shelter, medicines et al, but not at the cost of an environment which allows us to exist in the life form we know as "humans"

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This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)


Global Analysis - September 2014

Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).

The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

[Edited on 11-6-2014 by wessongroup]


These are quantitative "facts" which were developed from scientific investigation, which just didn't start yesterday

Our environment is better defined today compare to 50 years ago, not forgetting the instrumentation which was not around 50 years ago... as, there was concern from some and the arguments haven't changed IMHO ... trust me :):)

No argument on the need to "control" pollution, from many sources which have negative impact on our environment ... it the right thing to do for life and common sense

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Me thinks thou doth protest too much.



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[*] posted on 11-7-2014 at 05:54 AM


Could we please see all those charts and pictures again?



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[*] posted on 11-7-2014 at 08:43 AM


Sorry if the "facts" are upsetting to some ... but, since you asked ... here's the graph is again ... along with a graph on oil production from the 1930s to 2013 in barrels per day production

Isn't that amazing the graph of increased oil production is reflected in the graph of CO2 increase ...

Naw, couldn't be a scientific relationship between oil production and use, with increased CO2 levels being detected in our "atmosphere" :lol::lol:

And GMO's isn't a bad one to bring up either ... or how about "Bees" ... or _____

Hey, its Friday ... have a great weekend ... :):)

This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)



The Preindustrial and/or Industrial Revolution changed everything … with the development of the “internal combustion engine” it was all over .. in 1859

"The first commercially successful internal combustion engine was created by Étienne Lenoir around 1859.[1]”

Scientific American advised in September 1860 the Parisian newspaper Cosmos had pronounced the steam age over,[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étienne_Lenoir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine

Graph of oil production from 1930 to 2013



Based on the two graphs which are "factual" ... would appear that anything over 10 million barrel's per day, has a significant impact ... just saying

And yes, it will impact Baja too ... its in the environment too

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