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RFClark
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Barry,
Surabi is a true “Climate Change Believer” nothing you or anyone says, no new papers published or Snow in July will change her belief that “The
Experts” have spoken, debate and research on the subject is closed.
She overlooks the historical truth that for every landmark change in science or medicine a majority of the “Experts” initially were on the wrong
side of the argument. Change towards the truer facts is always started and led by a few who stake their careers on inducing change in the face of
orthodoxy! Generally they are not thanked, often quite the opposite!
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Barry,
Surabi is a true “Climate Change Believer” nothing you or anyone says, no new papers published or Snow in July will change her belief that “The
Experts” have spoken, debate and research on the subject is closed.
She overlooks the historical truth that for every landmark change in science or medicine a majority of the “Experts” initially were on the wrong
side of the argument. Change towards the truer facts is always started and led by a few who stake their careers on inducing change in the face of
orthodoxy! Generally they are not thanked, often quite the opposite!
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which one doesn't count
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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surabi
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"Climate Change Believer"??? 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't a religious dogma that has "believers". Listening to what thousands of scientists who are educated and
experienced in their field have to say is called informing and educating oneself.
And snow in July in the northern hemisphere happens to give credence to rapidly accelerating man-made climate change. You still apparently don't
understand the concept of climate change and global warming.
[Edited on 7-13-2023 by surabi]
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
"Climate Change Believer"???
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't a religious dogma that has "believers". Listening to what thousands of scientists who are educated and
experienced in their field have to say is called informing and educating oneself. |
It most definitely is a religion/cult.
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surabi
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You obviously have no idea what the definition of "religion" and "cult" mean. Try using a dictionary sometime.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | Google insurance companies stampeding to leave the Florida market.
Dozens of major players in that industry have concluded the risk has become intolerable. |
Current water temps around Florida are 5 degrees warmer than normal. More heat energy for the inevitable summer hurricanes to absorb and unleash when
they hit land.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2023/07/10/florida...
Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisana, Texas are all in the crosshairs.
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Faith = the irrational believe in the highly improbable.
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surabi
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Many people have irrational beliefs. The important thing is whether they are able to admit, "Yes, I know there's no rational, scientific proof for my
beliefs, but I choose to believe it anyway", or the opposite.
My dad, who was an atheist and a scientist, used to cut off the end of a loaf of bread and throw it away because his Russian Jewish mother used to do
that, saying it let the evil spirits out. He totally acknowledged that it was a baseless superstition, but it was so ingrained deep in him from the
time he was a small child that he did it irrationally anyway.
I had a friend who had serious medical issues in the early months of a pregnancy. The recommendation was for an abortion, as both her life and the
life of the fetus were in danger if she continued.
She had a really hard time making the decision, because she was raised Catholic, and it was drilled into her from early childhood that abortion was a
sin. She no longer rationally believed in any of that, didn't think she'd go to hell, or even that there such a place existed, but said she was so
indoctrinated that what should have been a no brainer decision to terminate the pregnancy was difficult. (She did terminate and didn't regret it)
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RFClark
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PB,
Belief in what seems “highly improbable” (at the time) You mean like continents moving or heaver than air things flying or a particle being in two
places at the same time?
The established scientific community had “faith” that all of those things were impossible before they changed their minds,
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No, RF, as pointed out, "faith" is believing in something for which there is no rational basis. Scientists believe things are true, or might be true,
based on the information that is available to them at the time. As new information becomes available, and new scientific methods developed, those
conclusions often change.
That has nothing to do with belief in something based on nothing but the fact that you choose to believe it.
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RFClark
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S,
Still don’t get the point. The folks in charge cling to their incorrect ideas (beliefs) until new ones are jammed down their throats or they die!
The point is cutting off discussion because the”authorities” have concluded they have the only answer required be it climate or COVID is not only
intellectually dishonest, it will be the only time they got it right on the first try.
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RFClark
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S and goat
A number of people with Phd after their names have put forward the theory that we are living in a simulation. That would make whatever is running the
sim God. Then there are the multiverse people.
Atheists, on the other hand believe that there is/are no God(s), but can offer no proof to support their beliefs. They get very touchy when asked for
some, as a rule.
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Politics and religion should be discussed while sitting under the palm trees watching the rising tide! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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You have no idea how ridiculous you sound, RF. Beliefs, not based on facts, are by their very nature unprovable.
Believers in God cannot prove there is such a thing as God, nor can atheists prove there isn't.
"The folks in charge cling to their incorrect ideas (beliefs) until new ones are jammed down their throats or they die!"
Which "folks in charge"? Plenty of people in positions of authority are open to considering new ideas and admitting they may have been wrong about
something.
[Edited on 7-14-2023 by surabi]
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RFClark
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“Say Goodnight Gracey”.
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Amen, with a couple bottles of cheap mezcal laying around your feet...
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A weekslong heat wave will intensify this weekend and push temperatures close to 130 degrees
Climate crisis getting worse! Parts of SW to be unfit for humans!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/14/weather/heat-wave-phoenix-cal...
I am going to stay in CA coastal area, in next decade expect interior USA to be uninhabitable in summer.
Is AZ and TX exodus underway?
[Edited on 7-14-2023 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Goat,
Phoenix was uninhabitable in the ‘50s. They grow lawns under water there!
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Interesting article on rising sea level.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/07/how-fast-are-the-...
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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The sw usa heat wave is here. Hot enough for you?
I see phoenix will be 117 high, and low of 96.
Sounds horrible
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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