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RFClark
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“And yet all that time the earth had liquid water at the equator and ice at the poles. Could we really have ruined it in just two centuries?"
No actually it didn’t read about snowball earth and when there was dirt at the poles not water!
Things have been a lot different in the past.
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mtgoat666
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I encourage all you deniers to move to FL, TX and AZ. You and your progeny deserve what you get, you best hope your denials are true, because if they
are not then your progeny will be living in chithole states, and CA, OR and WA wont let you come back 
Hey, will natural selection favor short people or tall people in the coming inferno chitstorm? White people or black?
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RFClark
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S,
So when are you going to move where you won’t have anything to criticize and complain about?
goat,
No, “natural selection will favor” those who choose to have children and do their best to try and raise them to deal with what life throws at
them.
You did notice the slight (30+%) increase in felonies since CA went to the same “0” cash bail system as NY or did you miss that?
Fastest growing state is FL. SFO lost 7.1% of its population in a single year. I guess no one likes poop on the sidewalks.
Speaking of poop on the sidewalks how’s SD doing?
Certainly don't see that in BC or BCS.
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surabi
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Do you hear me complain about living in Mexico? Or constantly criticize things in Mexico? There's challenges, to be sure, and things that could be
improved, but I wouldn't live somewhere the positive didn't outweigh the negative, and when it did in the past, I moved on.
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RFClark
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S,
The move reference was related to the choice of places you choose to troll!
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mtgoat666
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Fastest growing state is FL. SFO lost 7.1% of its population in a single year. I guess no one likes poop on the sidewalks.
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Florida pop growth does not mean it is a desirable place to live. Congo has super high pop growth, doesnt make it a place i want to live. I have been
to florida, it is very, very low on my list of desirable places to live… so low on the list, it fell off the list and will never be considered.
Spent time in san fran and seattle in past month. Both cities got homeless problems, but otherwise are fantastic cities. These cities need to build
more slums (aka affordable housing) to accommodate the poor, drug addicts and mentally ill abandoned by GOP’s dismantling of the social safety
net…
P.s. san fran pop drop was mostly due to housing prices, and covid work from home provisions. The housing prices remain higher in san fran than
florida, because florida is a miserable place to live and san fran is great 
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RFClark
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goat,
Poop not pop. As in the Homeless drug users poop on the sidewalks in SFO, LAX, OC, SD and others. Can you say Typhoid, TB, COVID, Hepatitis and much
more.
Aside from that Mrs, Lincoln how was the play comes to mind re. SFO & Seatac.
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Scientist measure temperatures going back 8,000 years using ice cores.
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That was an interesting video. If I followed the procedure correctly, they are measuring a variation of temperature in the ice pack going back ten
thousand years!
Even if they are able to date the formation of the layers of ice (carbon dating?) I find it a bit incredible that the existing temperature remains the
same as when the ice was formed.
Ice has the ability to absorb infra-red radiation from an object that is warmer than it, while radiating to an object that is colder. The bottom of
the ice pack would be absorbing heat from the earths core, while the surface could be radiating it to the blackness of space.
Cloud cover, or lack of it, affects the nature of ice crystals within a snow pack, and probably an ice sheet, but I have never studied the subject
further than what might contribute to an avalanche hazard.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | That was an interesting video. If I followed the procedure correctly, they are measuring a variation of temperature in the ice pack going back ten
thousand years!
Even if they are able to date the formation of the layers of ice (carbon dating?) I find it a bit incredible that the existing temperature remains the
same as when the ice was formed.
Ice has the ability to absorb infra-red radiation from an object that is warmer than it, while radiating to an object that is colder. The bottom of
the ice pack would be absorbing heat from the earths core, while the surface could be radiating it to the blackness of space.
Cloud cover, or lack of it, affects the nature of ice crystals within a snow pack, and probably an ice sheet, but I have never studied the subject
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Three important questions - even if you accept that the climate is changing and temperatures are increasing.
1. Increasing compared to what? We have a very small range of actual recorded temp data relative to the history of the Earth. What if we started
recording when we were in a low cycle as that video suggests.
2. Is the increase due to man? This is very much unsettled.
3. Can man do anything to reverse C02 expansion? To me this is the most settled of all the questions. This is absolutely not going to happen. The
best bet of it happening would be to use nuclear energy. Until I hear a government entity push nuclear technology (or the like), I can't believe they
are serious about lowering C02 emissions.
Final conclusion, climate change is used to capture money and power.
Recommendations: focus on improving air quality. Use EV's in dense cities. Don't try to push EV's onto everyone. Let the
technology evolve and use it where it makes sense. Use solar for home use. Do not build big wind or solar farms. These are very bad for the
environment. Invest in nuclear.
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While it's all very interesting to know about what temperatures in times in the far distant past were, it's kind of beside the point. The question now
is whether the rapidly changing climate will continue to support life as we know it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
These cities need to build more slums (aka affordable housing) to accommodate the poor, drug addicts and mentally ill |
Twenty or thirty years ago or more, I wondered why cities didn't redevelop the slummy areas. Well, they have; it's called gentrification. The old,
dilapidated, cheap rent buildings have been torn down and replaced with condos for the upwardly mobile. Landowners, developers, and others in the real
estate business have made a bundle. Plus the cities are collecting more in property taxes.
The problem is now poor people don't have any place to live except the street—unintended consequences of redevelopment. Every city needs "the
slums", "the other side of the tracks". But those areas are disappearing, or are gone.
It's a tough problem to solve.
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AK and SF kind of hit a homer with those responses
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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During the first half of the 20th century, East Coast cities like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, etc., tore down the 19th-century tenements and built
high-rise "projects". The "projects" are bad places to live, noted for high crime rates, but they put a roof over poor people's heads.
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JZ
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SFandH bringing good comments.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | PB,
Belief in what seems “highly improbable” (at the time) You mean like continents moving or heaver than air things flying or a particle being in two
places at the same time?
The established scientific community had “faith” that all of those things were impossible before they changed their minds, |
Such a compelling argument. I've just become a theiest.
Fear of one's death make religion an easy sell. Heck fear in general is a great sales tool. Burning in hell for all eternity is very scary.
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surabi
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"Airline passengers pass out awaiting takeoff in triple-digit temps in Las Vegas"
https://www.rawstory.com/delta-air-lines-las-vegas/
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mtgoat666
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Long-lost Greenland ice core suggests potential for disastrous sea level rise
(CNN ) A recently discovered ice core taken from beneath Greenland’s ice sheet decades ago has revealed that a large part of the country was
ice-free around 400,000 years ago, when temperatures were similar to those the world is approaching now, according to a new report – an alarming
finding that could have disastrous implications for sea level rise.
The study overturns previous assumptions that most of Greenland’s ice sheet has been frozen for millions of years, the authors said. Instead,
moderate, natural warming led to large-scale melting and sea level rise of more than 1.4 meters (4.6 feet), according to the report published Thursday
in the journal Science.
“When you look at what nature did in the past, as geoscientists, that’s our best clue to the future,” said Paul Bierman, a scientist at the
University of Vermont and a lead author of the study. Bierman further explained that "looking at vacation snapshots of palm trees to document sea
level and paleoclimate is lunacy."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/world/greenland-ice-sheet-mel...
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
“When you look at what nature did in the past, as geoscientists, that’s our best clue to the future,” said Paul Bierman, a scientist at the
University of Vermont and a lead author of the study. Bierman further explained that "looking at vacation snapshots of palm trees to document sea
level and paleoclimate is lunacy."
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mtgoat666
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Addicted to electricity…
Would an occasional blackout help solve climate change?
https://www.latimes.com/environment/newsletter/2023-07-20/wo...
Is anywhere truly safe from climate change?
I Thought My State Was Safe From Climate Change
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/07/climate-...
Climate Collapse Could Happen Fast
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/07/climate-...
She’s on a Mission From God: Suing Big Oil for Climate Damages
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/climate/climate-lawsuit-p...
Al Gore on Extreme Heat and the Fight Against Fossil Fuels
“Every night on the TV news is like taking a nature hike through the Book of Revelation,” Gore said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/18/climate/al-gore-on-extrem...
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