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David K
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Physics makes some parts of Hwy. 1 unsafe for bikes, that's all.
| Quote: | Originally posted by joerover
education is the answer
all can use the road safely when drivers are educated
pass a bicycle the same way you pass a car
4 wheels over the center line
save a life HIT THE BREAKS
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Umm....again why does a motorhome have more right to the road than a bicycle...they are both legally allowed to use the road? If we are concerned
with safety then maybe we should outlaw over-sized vehicles on Hwy 1.
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The highway was built to benefit the people of the peninsula of Baja California... If motorhomes and long distance bicycles were the only two groups
you want to mention (but in reality all other automobiles, trucks, and busses should be included), which one 'contributes' more to the wealth of the
peninsula, and benefits the most people? This is a no brainer for most...
Yet, in the logic of economic destruction you follow, you would ban the motorized vehicles in favor of the few touring bike riders, tripping down the
peninsula.... instead of providing passage to all by requesting the bikes to be transported over the dangerous middle section on a truck or bus...
thus providing some income to truck or bus operators.
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If you ever drove south of San Quintin Km. 0 (before El Rosario), then you would know what is the danger. All of us have no problem passing bikes or
waiting to pass them.
The problem is we are driving at a safe speed in a mountain/ hilly section, and round a curve to find bikes in our lane and a bus coming towards us in
the other.
Sure we will slam on the brakes, but in a split second move do we choose to die from a head on if there isn't enough distance from the bikes to stop
by swerving into the path of a semi or bus or any car? Bikes loose, and so do we for hurting others in a totally preventable situation...
Wait for the original 19' wide 1973 Hwy. 1 to get the paved, bike lane wide shoulder. They have been working on it for a few years now, including a
few miles out of El Rosario.
No room for bikes:
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Barry A.
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As a cop, I ran into many very close calls when I easily could have shot someone, but because of extreme measures taken and a BIG wish to avoid
bloodshed, and a LOT of luck, I never shot anybody during my entire career (thank Zeus).
-----but the danger was there, always------it is just fate that nothing horrible and tragic never happened in my case.
The stress these bikers cause is significant, and for what??? a few people "having fun". I just don't get it how a few can do this to others, and
somehow justify it in their minds..
Barry
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
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pics are of straight sections, should be no problem to wait a moment and pass when safe - pretty easy to see what's ahead on straight sections like in
your picture.
re curvy roads,... slow down! if you dont have time to slow, then you were going too fast!
[Edited on 1-16-2014 by mtgoat666]
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Ateo
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Never seen a bicycle accident in Baja. Seen lots of vehicle accidents. But there are way more vehicles than bikes on the road.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Never seen a bicycle accident in Baja. Seen lots of vehicle accidents. But there are way more vehicles than bikes on the road.
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Could it be because the vehicles hit head-on and the bike rides on down the road? A wrecked bike is something you can pick up and throw into a truck,
so its wreckage won't be there long.
Let's hope the tiny % of touring Hwy. 1 bikes never make contact with anything powered by gasoline or diesel oil!
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Ateo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Never seen a bicycle accident in Baja. Seen lots of vehicle accidents. But there are way more vehicles than bikes on the road.
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Could it be because the vehicles hit head-on and the bike rides on down the road?
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I don't think a biker who just heard 2 vehicles going head on or crashing would keep on riding. =)
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bajadogs
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I've driven to at least Bahia de Los Angeles and often to Mulege, La Paz and beyond at least 2 times a year for the last 20 years. Like Pomp, I have
seen a lot of nasty stuff. Never has a bicycle been involved.
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bajadogs
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Oh, soulpatch, you reminded me of a close call that scared the carp out of me. It was a Baja 1000 chase vehicle with trailer in tow that almost threw
me and my family in to the cacti as I avoided it's trailer which took up a huge portion of my lane as it blew by way, way too fast around a curve as I
was heading south past El Rosario.
It seems to me those who are Baja1000 fans are the same folks who hate bicyclists. If safety is your concern...
Who is selfish?
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J.P.
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Biker's
Aside from the Stupid Political slant that D.K. has to slip into almost every post the idea of Portage for Bicycles is the most intelligent thing That
he has came up with. Maybe a new business opportunity for some enterprising individual.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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The only real way to resolve the bicycle injury question is to inquire of the Segro Social hospitals in Colonia Guerrero, Sta Rosalia Cd Constitucion,
La Paz, and San Lucas.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Free enterprise, personal responsibility, and more freedom (less government) is not stupid. |
Unless of course you like clean drinking water
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Yeah! That'll Learn 'Em
California Electricity DeRegulation. Proved beyond the shadow of a doubt what totally free enterprise is all about...
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Free enterprise, personal responsibility, and more freedom (less government) is not stupid. |
rules and laws are what keeps public peace and provides for mostly stable economic system.
you should show some personal responsibility: slow down and share the road! it's the responsible thing to do
only people on this thread proposing new rules (less freedom) are the antibike nuts dreaming of banning bikes
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David K
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Slowing down has no protection for a bike in your lane on a blind curve... only a paved shoulder and the bikes off the auto lanes are a safe way to
travel. However, maybe there are so few bikes and none causing accidents, this is pointless discussion. We only know that a lot of these Euro tourists
and others seem unaware that there is NO ROOM on much of Hwy. 1 for bikes to be safe.. and SPEEDING has 0 to do with it.
Oh, and the clean water comment above, what a joke that all you can do is repeat the lib sound bites. Nobody on the right wants dirty water, starving
people, or any of the other sound bites... we just know BIG government doesn't provide them... never has. There are more poor people because of
government spending and regulations then people who are no longer poor. It is just an excuse to suck away income and hire more government workers...
to the demise of America.
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Here it comes......any moment now.......
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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joerover
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[Slowing down has no protection for a bike in your lane on a blind curve...*
your lane?
*This could be the root of the problem*
To whom does the lane belong
you need to learn the answer
To whom does the lane belong
When you see a bike
HIT THE BREAKS
save a life
the fat lady is breeding
which means
The fat ladys are breeding
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mtgoat666
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peace, love and fish tacos (and an end to the war on bikes)
dont worry, be happy
slow down and share the road and smile!
[Edited on 1-20-2014 by BajaNomad]
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mtgoat666
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[Edited on 1-20-2014 by BajaNomad]
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Easy solution to widening the road. On even days, only northbound traffic allowed. Southbound goes on alternate days.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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