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These islands are being slowly swallowed by the sea – it’s a warning to the world
Rising sea levels are eroding the Solomon Islands. It serves as a red flag for the global community
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people...
[Edited on 7-27-2023 by mtgoat666]
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Quote: Originally posted by lewmt  | The glaciers in Glacier Park were supposed to be gone by now...still there. Catastrophic hurricanes like Catrina were supposed to be greater in number
& more intense... hasn't happened - there have been hurricanes but no where near the level predicted (as there always has been).
I work on a small atoll with a maximum elevation of 30'. It should be mostly under water based on sea level rise predictions... it's just fine &
the only changes there are cycles of erosion & building because the whole complex is dynamic and forever changing. In fact 1 of the highest
elevations has occurred in the last 2 years from coral rubble being pushed onto a portion of the atoll.
-0- predictions have come true |
They predicted the Great Barrier Reef would be dead by now. It recently recorded record coral growth.
The climate cult is actually rooting for this crap. The will never, ever acknowledge that the US government is powerless to change mother nature.
[Edited on 7-27-2023 by JZ]
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Post a pic from Mammoth today.
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Shorty mcHalfPint:
A pic of mammoth in 2023 would be irrelevant to discussion of long trend of receding glaciers in Glacier Nat Park.
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FYI
Every summer, heat waves inevitably hit the United States and other parts of the world, causing climate alarmists and left-leaning media outlets to
demand dramatic, disastrous changes to the global energy system. Unfortunately, this summer is no different.
On Tuesday, U.S. media outlets published a wave of stories about supposedly "historic" heat waves in Europe and North America. For example, the
Washington Post published an article titled "Heat waves in U.S., Europe ‘virtually impossible’ without climate change, study finds."
Similarly, Axios published a story titled "Historic and enduring U.S. heat wave, by the numbers."
Although certain parts of the United States have undoubtedly experienced strong heat waves this summer, there’s no reason to believe these weather
events are evidence that the world is hurtling toward a climate change catastrophe. In fact, the best available evidence suggests that heat waves
recorded a century ago were more problematic than anything we’re seeing today.
Government researchers have been tracking heat waves for more than 100 years. According to data from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program, which is
made available by the Environmental Protection Agency, the annual heat wave index for the contiguous 48 states was substantially higher in the 1930s
than at any point in recent years. In some years in the 1930s, it was four times greater or even more.
Additionally, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has a large database of daily temperatures that goes back to 1948. NOAA used
1,066 weather stations located across the United States to collect this data.
According to NOAA, huge swaths of the United States have experienced a significant decrease in abnormally hot days recorded since 1948, especially in
the Midwest and northern and eastern Texas.
Although it’s true that some parts of the United States have seen the number of hotter-than-usual days increase over the past 70 years — including
in California and the New York metropolitan area, both of which happen to be areas where a large number of media outlets are located — most weather
stations have shown no meaningful changes or even declines.
Meteorologist Anthony Watts, who works with me as a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute, analyzed NOAA’s data in detail and found that 81% of
the weather stations used in NOAA’s database reported that since 1948 there has been "either a decrease or no change in the number of unusually hot
days."
If the available data so clearly reveal that there is no heat-wave crisis, why are media outlets suggesting the opposite is true? The answer is
sloppy, irresponsible media reporting, combined with cherry-picked data.
Anyone who wants to show a long-term warming or cooling trend can do so by selectively choosing starting and ending points in datasets that will
provide the answer you’re looking for.
For instance, if you start your examination of historic temperatures with figures collected in the 1970s, when temperatures were unusually low
compared to the rest of the century, then current temperatures look abnormally high.
If you start around 2010, then temperatures over the past decade appear to have dipped below "normal" and are only now recovering.
When many media outlets and left-wing politicians talk about climate change data, they almost always selectively choose a range that offers an
incomplete picture of the larger available dataset. This makes it appear as though today’s temperatures are "historic" when they are actually well
within normal historical ranges.
Another problem is that media outlets have been using temperature forecasts in their news reports as if those figures were actual temperature data. A
forecast is, by definition, a guess, and some alarmist analysts have recently made a bad habit of incorrectly predicting insanely high temperatures
that never come to fruition.
For example, the Telegraph, one of the largest papers in the United Kingdom, published an article on July 18 in which the author claimed, "The
European Space Agency said thermometers could tip 48C in Sardinia and Sicily, while the temperatures in Rome and Madrid could both reach the mid to
high-40Cs. In drought-stricken Spain, temperatures were set to reach highs of 44C in Catalonia."
None of these predictions came true. In fact, some of them were off by several degrees or more.
Heat waves happen every year, but this isn’t evidence that Americans are facing a global warming crisis. When heat-wave data are put into their
proper historical context, it’s clear that everything humans are experiencing today has been witnessed in the past.
The ugly truth behind climate alarmism is that much of it is driven by a radical ideological agenda that is seeking to transform the global economy
and American society, not by science. The best way to fight back against it is to use cold, hard facts. And those facts plainly show that there is no
reason to panic about our ever-changing climate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Based on this statement, I assume you didn't write all this, though you present it as if you were the author.
Care to give us the actual source? |
Posted on Fox and AR15.com and many other biased unprofessional sites:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/not-climate-change-causing-h...
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Based on this statement, I assume you didn't write all this, though you present it as if you were the author.
Care to give us the actual source? |
Lobsterbutt got it from a right wingnut site devoted to rebutting science that contradicts their politics with obfuscation and nonsense dressed up as
science.
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At least they appropriately put it in the opinion section. Everybody has one.
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It isn't just the progressives sounding the alarm over climate change. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, my employer, has been researching the subject for decades, trying to put climate into a historical context
while also providing voluminous data regarding what can be observed in real-time.
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Cool place to work. Good for you. I live close to your West Coast counterpart, Scripps.
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When myopic views such as climate warming is a Democratic ploy are the argument that says much.
This is a global issue that many scientists are alarmed by.
Even my teenagers have noted the radical changes in just the last decade and are able to study meteorological data through historical record keeping
with their school projects.
This is not a political ploy, this is a changing world climate issue.
And, yes, the waters off of Florida are shallow and and may be filled with silt which affects temperature readings but that 100F marker should ring
some alarm bells.
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| Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch |
And, yes, the waters off of Florida are shallow and and may be filled with silt which affects temperature readings but that 100F marker should ring
some alarm bells.
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Nothing will ring alarm bells with the climate change deniers. These are the same mentality of people as those who were gasping for air, on a
ventilator, dying of Covid, who insisted to medical personnel that they must be sick with something else, because Covid was a hoax.
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We have researchers that do research on the atoll I work on from Scripps, UCSB, Woods Hole, Duke, etc. Much of their research is centered on climate
change. I read the data, the evidence and the conclusions with particular interest because they are people I get to know and engage with daily during
their research visits. Some of these projects have been ongoing since the early 2000's. To date, none of the research is conclusive that we are
approaching climate disaster. Most of the research actually concludes that the reef and the surrounding ocean is amazingly resilient. Some of the
researchers will admit that the bulk of the research is done chasing research grant dollars - you have to go where the grants are offered. We don't
discuss politics there because the community is too close knit for too long of a duration to let those hostilities obscure the work that needs to be
done.
I used to be a true believer in the whole global warming concept. In the mid 80's Montana went through an extended drought and hotter than normal
period....it seemed to make some sense in that framework. I did ask questions of the premises I was curious about. Often my questions would get
blasted with responses like "what you don't believe the science?". This only served my curiosity further and I researched answers to my queries.
Ultimately what I came to conclude is that when the left has no answer they simply force the narrative about believing the "science" without offering
constructive answers. I also became disillusioned by the very people screaming the loudest about the catastrophic scope of climate change living
their own lives in ways that were antithetical to the lifestyle they hope to force everyone else to live.
Hypocrisy and obfuscation don't impress me much. My doubts have only grown stronger since I began asking those legitimate questions. I've seen no
research that offers catastrophe as the scientific conclusion to climate change that is actually validated by scientific results....only conjecture
and hyperbole.
Is climate changing? Absolutely. Has it always changed? Absolutely. Have any prior forecasts of doom come true? 0
Is there any reason to accept that government mandated enforced poverty and lifestyle restrictions will benefit the planet? 0
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch |
And, yes, the waters off of Florida are shallow and and may be filled with silt which affects temperature readings but that 100F marker should ring
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Nothing will ring alarm bells with the climate change deniers. These are the same mentality of people as those who were gasping for air, on a
ventilator, dying of Covid, who insisted to medical personnel that they must be sick with something else, because Covid was a hoax.
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If you stop lying and exaggerating that might be a good start.
Perfect example, ppl know Covid was very dangerous. But also recognize it was only dangerous to some.
All you do is exaggerate. Call everyone who disagrees with you a racist. You have zero nuance. Because you know if you were truthful your arguments
would fall flat.
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Why can't you come up with an original thought and only repeat what others say?
"All you do is exaggerate" is exactly, almost word for word, what I posted to you a few days ago.
"Call everyone who disagrees with you a racist."
Ridiculous bald-faced lie. The only person I have ever called a racist here is you, when you say racist things.
And climate change has nothing to do with racism.
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Society has always had foolish muddle-headed deniers. Deniers of climate change and covid are same as those who denied auto seat belts save lives,
denied that smoking kills, deny that over-abundance of guns is cause of elevated gun death rate, etc.
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Goathead-
You never stop with the One dimensional mantra.
Believing Covid was handled incorrectly does not mean that one doesnt believe in the safety of seatbelts or the danger of smoking.
Those that you label as a climate change deniers is a false label. I believe the climate is changing and always has changed. However, the contribution
of humans to this change is the issue. The study of science isnt a political issue. It is not a Republican or Democrat thing.
Your concept is that taxation of the people will change the earth’s temperature. FALSE.
Sea level change is a natural phenomenon. Example:Flagstaff Arizona was once covered by ocean water. This had NOTHING to do with mankind.
Side note- your correlation to guns and gun violence is a gross over simplification of the real issue at hand. But you being a bleeding heart on the
issue of personal accountability for INDIVIDUALS will never allow you to look at any of these issues through a lens of a sober, intelligent person
that views personal responsibility as a foundational element of a healthy free society.
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WHOI released this article in today's Oceanus magazine. As a rule, WHOI tends to avoid an alarmist tone in its research papers, although it's quick to point out both the short-term
trend and suspected root causes.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | | WHOI released this article in today's Oceanus magazine. As a rule, WHOI tends to avoid an alarmist tone in its research papers, although it's quick to point out both the short-term
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good read......unfortunately the same half dozen here will simply call it liberal hogwash and tune into Fox. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | | WHOI released this article in today's Oceanus magazine. As a rule, WHOI tends to avoid an alarmist tone in its research papers, although it's quick to point out both the short-term
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good read......unfortunately the same half dozen here will simply call it liberal hogwash and tune into Fox. |
Hey, the earth warmed up by itself 7.386 bazillion years ago. Therefore there is no such thing as man-made climate change.
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