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RFClark
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/hoodies-sell-o...
“Tonga is bracing for more chilly weather as the Pacific nation shivers through one of its coldest winters ever, sparking a rush for jackets and
heating units.
The island has experienced unusually cold weather through July and Tonga Meteorological Services (TMS) recorded a low of 9.3 degrees Celsius at the
Lapaha village weather station at the end of the month. The country’s record low of 8.7C was set in September 1994.
Better known for its warm weather and beaches, the archipelago in the south Pacific ocean usually sees winter temperatures in the range of 18C to
21C.”
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | S,
When you and goat choke on considering that the data being collected by real scientists and published in real journals shows that the models are wrong
and that according to those papers ocean warming could be overstated by as much as 30%. You and goat are climate change deniers just like those who
deny it’s changing at all.
This is another example of the “this” in “if this keeps up” being overstated. I bet that the major news outlets won’t cover this major
climate change news cause it doesn’t fit their narrative. |
Once again RF - can you give me an actual citation of these papers? where are you getting your "facts"
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | As she explains, all these "scientists" have an incentive to exaggerate CC.
And those that don't are cast out. To deny those facts would require a lot of putting your head in the sand. The system is financially biased to
only support one outcome.
It takes an open mind to see through all the bs. Have an open mind instead of insulting someone's character.
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Once again - you purposely ignore my questions and facts - and try to shout louder so no one hears the truth.
virtually all of the "points" she makes in the video - calling the scientists predictions wrong - or over inflated - well guess what - here we
are 10 years later - and turns out those scientific predictions are accurate and cominf true - and she is flat wrong.
You should have no issues with that JZ - thats the way science works - she made a bunch of claims - - and turns out - those claims are provably
wrong - with real data - - deal with it - another False prophet for the MAGA marooonS unmasked!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/hoodies-sell-o...
“Tonga is bracing for more chilly weather as the Pacific nation shivers through one of its coldest winters ever, sparking a rush for jackets and
heating units.
The island has experienced unusually cold weather through July and Tonga Meteorological Services (TMS) recorded a low of 9.3 degrees Celsius at the
Lapaha village weather station at the end of the month. The country’s record low of 8.7C was set in September 1994.
Better known for its warm weather and beaches, the archipelago in the south Pacific ocean usually sees winter temperatures in the range of 18C to
21C.” |
What's your point, RF? That because it's unprecendently cold somewhere that means there's not global warming?
That's exactly part of the escalating climate change- unnaturally cold in some areas and unnaturally hot in others.
You obviously don't understand climate change at all.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | An electric bus company that was touted as the future by govt. officials goes bankrupt. It received millions (billions?) in funding from the
government. Several govt. officials and big political cats had major shares/board seats in the company. All cashed out before the collapse.
This is the corruption in govt. from seeding the EV industry that we all warned about. This is what happens when the government drives things.
Especially before technology or infrastructure are ready for it.
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Scratching my head. Read your comments and think ''so what?''
Are you losing sleep over corruption?
In the 60s, some people demonstrated by withholding taxes from the gov't that was feeding the war. Noble thoughts but flawed.
Stop paying taxes JZ that feed climate change. Walk the walk.
You might be too sensitive for the corruption in the US. It's all corrupt. Deal with it.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | An electric bus company that was touted as the future by govt. officials goes bankrupt. It received millions (billions?) in funding from the
government. Several govt. officials and big political cats had major shares/board seats in the company. All cashed out before the collapse.
This is the corruption in govt. from seeding the EV industry that we all warned about. This is what happens when the government drives things.
Especially before technology or infrastructure are ready for it.
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Scratching my head. Read your comments and think ''so what?''
Are you losing sleep over corruption?
In the 60s, some people demonstrated by withholding taxes from the gov't that was feeding the war. Noble thoughts but flawed.
Stop paying taxes JZ that feed climate change. Walk the walk.
You might be too sensitive for the corruption in the US. It's all corrupt. Deal with it. |
Good council for all the like minded fossil fuel fascists on BN.
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Which part of you are a climate change denier cause you can’t deal with your “if this keeps up” being overstated by 30%!
Again 30% is equal to the entire US quitting using hydrocarbons.
Number of exclamation points used - 1
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Caj13,
Start here, they reference other sources.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25934500-100-somethin...
https://thebulletin.org/2022/12/whats-wrong-with-these-clima...
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/06/24/pacific-ocean-c...
https://www.science.org/content/article/use-too-hot-climate-...
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Oh, cute, now you right wingers are perverting the meaning of "denier", just like you have perverted the meaning of "baby", "woke", "groomer" and
"pedophile"?
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MAGA 
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Haha! That is a good one! And yes, you are correct.
Meanwhile, Hawaii governor just blamed the fire on climate change. Time to make some popcorn….
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | As she explains, all these "scientists" have an incentive to exaggerate CC.
And those that don't are cast out. To deny those facts would require a lot of putting your head in the sand. The system is financially biased to
only support one outcome.
It takes an open mind to see through all the bs. Have an open mind instead of insulting someone's character.
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first of all JZ - who funds her current research? and second of all - as I already pointed out your beloved video was 12 years old - and current
data and trends clearly indicate that she was wrong - turns out those predictions she said were "overstated" turns out they are correct - and shes
wrong - see thats how science works - we look at the data, and the data tell us the answer - even if its not what we want to hear!
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so did you not read these? or are you unable to understand them? because what they say - uh - not really what you claim!
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How many innocent palm trees died last week in the global-warming-caused wildfires on Maui?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Global warming caused wild fires??
Fires are a natural phenomenon that man has no responsibility for.
However, given that man chooses to build structures in fire prone areas, it is wise to do forestry management projects to mitigate the dangers to
humans and structures.
Using a fire and ensuing tragedy to promote global warming is disingenuous.
On a side note- wildfires and volcanic activity obviously increase the earths surface temperature much like a stove or fireplace increases your room
temperature.
The Hawaiian islands are the byproduct of volcanic eruptions. Fires there are natural. Alarmists ignore that because “recent history” didnt have a
fire in that particular location.
Eventually, those islands will fade away to naturally occurring erosion unless there is further volcanic activity. That is a fact.
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As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. 85% of wildfires are started by humans. Only a small percentage are caused by natural
phenomenon- lightning strikes, hot lava or spontaneous combustion of material caused by intense sunlight.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/wildfire-causes-and-evaluation....
And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater. As do increasing
numbers and intensities of hurricanes caused by global warming, as happened in Maui.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. 85% of wildfires are started by humans. Only a small percentage are caused by natural
phenomenon- lightning strikes, hot lava or spontaneous combustion of material caused by intense sunlight.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/wildfire-causes-and-evaluation....
And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater. As do increasing
numbers and intensities of hurricanes caused by global warming, as happened in Maui. |
Surabi-
You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.
Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush.
Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn
cycle.
Responsible forestry management by humans involves thinning and cutting and controlled burns. This is for humans to coexist with nature. But your tree
hugger brethren tries to stop that every time.
Put your climate cult coffee mug down and go back to speaking about something you are knowledgeable. If that exists.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater.
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That depends on other factors. Drought where I am right now in Northern CA is an annual event. This year the fire danger is much higher because we
had a wet, cold winter. I lost dozens of mature trees either broken by heavy, wind driven sleet, or they went over roots and all due to saturated
soil.
I have been working for months to pile and burn the limbs and broken tops, but the extra water content in the soil plus more sunlight reaching the
ground has resulted in explosive ground cover growth, which is now becoming wild fire fuel.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.
Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush.
Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn
cycle.
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I suggest you tell 90% of the world's climate scientists how grossly ignorant they are.
And what part of "85% of wildfires are started by humans" is difficult for you to grasp? If only 15% are started by natural causes, obviously the
wildfires that have occurred "since the dawn of time" were far less frequent and widespread without humans around. Therefore, the number of wildfires
caused by man, and the amount of forests they are responsible for burning down is neither natural nor "good".
Your inability to think logically or accept any facts which don't jive with your preconceived notions is rivaled only by your overestimation of your
own intelligence.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.
Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush.
Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn
cycle.
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I suggest you tell 90% of the world's climate scientists how grossly ignorant they are.
And what part of "85% of wildfires are started by humans" is difficult for you to grasp? If only 15% are started by natural causes, obviously the
wildfires that have occurred "since the dawn of time" were far less frequent and widespread without humans around. Therefore, the number of wildfires
caused by man, and the amount of forests they are responsible for burning down is neither natural nor "good".
Your inability to think logically or accept any facts which don't jive with your preconceived notions is rivaled only by your overestimation of your
own intelligence.
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Surabi-
To have an intelligent dialogue you must realize the comparison must be made assuming humans dont exist. In that case, 100 percent of the fires will
be caused by natural events.
If that was the case, the forests naturally burn and arent stopped by firefighting/ aerial attacks/ cutting fire breaks to stop the fire.
You have a hard time seeing things through a prism apart from man made climate change.
Some additional food for your starving thought process- Many fires caused by lightning are allowed to burn out naturally when they dont have any
manmade structures that need protected.
You need to realize the urgency and emergency nature of stopping these fires would not exist if humans weren’t continuing to build more and more
into areas that were previously pristine.
Firefighting is a relatively modern technique. To my knowledge, there are no other inhabitants of earth beside humans that have the inclination or the
ability to stop a fire.
Your world is one of doom and gloom. Sorry I can’t help you with that. |
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