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DENNIS
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Lisa..Mi semi-nueva Nomada-----
With the strength you show, you are never alone. You have yourself. I'm sure that's pretty good company.
Give'm hell toots.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Roberto,
Since we're giving each other vocabulary lessons, here's one for you:
defeatism - an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat.
I'm strongly against this development and I'm not a Luddite. BTW, the word is capitalized. It comes from a man named Ludd. |
Thank you for that information, oldhippie - I had NO idea. You are obviously a man of superior intellect and education. 
BTW, to be a defeatist, wouldn't you have to be in the "battle"?
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Long story short, Escalera Nautica failed. |
So this is your opinion, right? Look I want to see it fail too, but it will not - once again, not in the original form, maybe, but parts of it WILL be
implemented.
You do realize that the development at Puerto Escondido is part of it, right?
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Thank you for that information, oldhippie - I had NO idea. You are obviously a man of superior intellect and education. |
Roberto, no problem and thank you for the compliment!
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wilderone
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Puerto Escondido is not part of Escalera Nautica.
"Loreto, Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo, Los Cabos, and Cancún were Mexico’s emblematic tourism projects in the 1970s [planned by FONATUR]. Plans for Loreto
stalled because of its remoteness from central Mexico and the paucity of public and private investment. As far back as 1976, Fonatur planned Loreto
as the main residential area for the local population, Nopoló as the hotel, tourist and real-estate area, and Puerto Escondido as the harbor. The
“Subregional Urban Development Program for the Loreto-Nopoló-Notrí-Puerto Escondido-Ligüi-Ensenada Blanca Region” picks up where that original plan
left off. Of several possible scenarios proposed for 2025, the one that was selected purports to allow for “balanced and decentralized growth, with
support villages, creating attractive areas for urban development outside of Loreto and Nopoló, locating new infrastructure in those areas to meet the
needs of the population in Ensenada Blanca, Ligüi, Puerto Escondido and Notrí.”
http://americas.irc-online.org/pdf/papers/0703Gulf7.pdf
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Don Alley
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Boomtown Loreto: A City on the Move!
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Baja_Girl
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Thank goodness there is a nice watch dog to make sure the ambulance doesn't get vandalized or anything.
Thanks, Don, looking forward to meeting you on July 10th.
Fiesta de la Baja Girl y su amigas!
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Phil S
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Mood: After 34 years. Still in love w/ my wife
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Lisa. A thought here on your "campaign". If you should become successful in your project, I'd be concerned of your 'health' in Loreto. Have you
thought about "what if" regarding your daughters mother's future? You would be damaging many a job workers employment down there. A worker who is
trying to support himself & his family. Now, not all the workers I've met over the pat three years are God Fearing Christians. Like all
civilizations, there is an element of "people to be feared" in every culture. If for any reason you were successful, how would you think the folks
that work at the airport would feel when they got laid off because the number of flights ceased because some lady named Lisa caused them to lose their
job. How about when you go into the grocery store, and your known as the lady that 'broke' Loreto. Think you'd feel save walking the streets at
night anymore????? Having been a crusader for most of my life, I took on one project that turned against me. And that was one regarding "street
people". Backfired. It didn't get them "off the street". It got me threats, intimidation, phone calls at night, knocks on the door at night that I
didn't answer. My life didn't get threatened, but had I kept up the campaign, it might have. Suddenly, my "need" wasn't as important as the bodily
harm I feared for. Rattled my cage. Have you thought through this completely????? I would think that maybe you should be working agianst the San
Bruno project, as it hasn't broken ground yet, and that's the same water you drink when you are in Loreto. Oh yes. Conchita might be a little upset
with you also, as you might cause her some financial problems. Let's see. Maybe Francisco at El Ray Taco might not want to wait on you anymore.
Cafe Ole relies on "customers". Your campaign might cause them some problems. etc. etc. etc. etc.
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edinnopolo
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Hey Flip,
What are you smoking I want some of that 
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DENNIS
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Is that what's happening in Loreto? Everybody lives in a state of fear if they don't tow the company line?
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backninedan
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Phil, takes your meds bud, the voices are taking control.
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Juan del Rio
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Re-done Golf Course gets water on the Green
I had to drive from San Somewhere to the Loreto Airport on Thursday. I noticed that the re-done golf course was starting to get water on a few of the
greens.
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gnukid
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Phil, Why are you surmising who might threaten Lisa? Phil?
Those who lead from an ethical, moral and logical viewpoint are appreciated for their efforts. If the efforts attenuate rapid growth development
slightly they will be appreciated because that means the effort was correct and justified.
Phil, for you to suggest hypothetical threats is more than inappropriate to this process. In doing so, clearly your words connote a likely threat and
your behavior is suspect. Your note shall be put on record, along with the evidence of your login and ip address and you shall likely be considered
for having instigating a threat to a person. Your words shall not be taken likely as they demonstrate your thought process.
Your comments will be brought to the attention of the Mexican and US authorities.
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Juan del Rio
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New Loreto Airport additions
There are now these large posts that will have billboards on them in the coming weeks. It also looks like that they have made progress on the new
Terminal Building to the North of the existing terminal.
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Stickers
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Why all the rumors of a new Loreto airport in another location?
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Baja_Girl
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I just got back from Roatan Island - Honduras, so I need to take some time to catch up with these postings.
I find it hard to believe that the townsfolk of Loreto could be so utterly dense and short-sighted to think that Loreto Bay is good for their town.
It competes with their economy, it pollutes their environment, and worse of all - more Americans means more American fastfood and fastfood means
GARBAGE all over the place...if there is anything I HATE is garbage in the ocean. When I was in Honduras, I found Coke bottles floating in otherwise
gorgeous water. I started picking them out of the ocean - one little person won't make a difference, I know - and the Dive master said "why nearly
drown yourself for a Coke bottle" - I said "because its my ocean, too, my world, I love it and I wouldn't have empty Coke bottles floating around my
backyard...."
yes, some people will not like the truth, but the truth is, Loreto Bay is only good for the developers. Coke bottles floating around the Sea of
Cortez - makes me nauseous to think about it. Yes, Phil, staving off the damage is worth being threatened, the potential harm to Loreto is much
greater than the potential harm to myself...and I daresay, some coward threatening me would get no where. I'm not invincible, I'm just a poor
target.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
Why all the rumors of a new Loreto airport in another location?
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What I have heard is that an ejido donated or will donate property north of Loreto, at San Juan, for a possible new airport. That would make sense for
the ejido as it would greatly increase their property values.
Second, the existing airport uses valuable coastal real estate.
Third, the huge development planned for San Bruno would love to see the airport moved closer to them.
Third, if Loreto's airport begins getting massive numbers of landings/takeoffs, local Loreto residents may want to see it move.
But my take, especially with the new construction at the airport, is that any such move to a new location is not going to happen soon. Fine with me, I
like the airport where it is, at least for now.
The thing about development here is that there is no news source. You can't pick up a local paper, or turn on the TV, and see "New terminal planned
for Loreto airport" long before work starts. Unless you have a need to know, you only get rumors, if that. Sometimes important development decisions
are made privately and the locals are kept in the dark
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Sharksbaja
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Is that strange?
Ok, who exactly does know the proposals on the table besides Grogan, Butterworth and myriad tight-lipped officionadas.
It is interesting Don that with all the wisdom and info gleaned here by Nomadic foot-soldiers we'd be in the know.
Let me seee, how many units are complete? I am trying to figure out if there are enough toilets flushing to sustain that new golf green and
fairway.
I don't think so. How can they accomplish their(LBC) goals and promises when you put a cart before the burro? Isn't effluent the primary source for
the developments adjunct plans?
I smell sumpin' fishy.
Inquiring minds need to know!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Cypress
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You've got to be a hardcore golfer to wade around in poop to get a chance at a hole-in-one.
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cajhawk
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Another viewpoint
I admit a bias in that I have spent much time in the real estate industry on both sides of the border. This discussion occurs everywhere. Ex pats hate
that developer changes their slice of heaven. Developer makes promises. Ex Pats think all of the promises are lies, developer doesn't fulfill all
promises. Same stuff. I am not an apologist for Loreto Bay and don't believe all of the hype, but I'll put in my 2 cents on 3 things.
1) FONATUR said that there was plenty of water for LB. LB either doesn't believe them, doesn't want a PR nightmare or needs a secure water supply
because they have planned and are bidding on an RO project. Similar to ones in Cabo, these are about the size of a railroad car. LB is not going to
drain all of the water in Loreto. It would be a nightmare for them to sell their homes even if you think they are evil.
2) Wind farm on west coast is not being done by Loreto Bay. They are a big player, but some energy company is doing it (Conergy?)with the backing of
other municipalities as well. LB will be a big customer, but is building it. Both LB and Conergy are also Mexican Corporations, so the lease talk
doesn't make much sense.
3) Paspalum grass is the only way to go if you have a golfcourse going on in Baja. Less water, takes brackish water, less pesticide (salt water kills
some of them). Not quite as nice as the grass used on courses in Cabo, but much better for water use. New course in San Felipe using it now as well.
This is what I know about the discussion thus far. Many good points are being made here, but I wanted to clarify the stuff I thought was just
inaccurate. The good news is that at least it is only one developer for that big area instead of 3 or 4 -- now THAT is a nightmare!
[Edited on 8-28-2007 by cajhawk]
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