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RFClark
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“Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
Electric cars are crucial, but not enough to solve climate change. We can’t let them crowd out car-free transit options”
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23939076/norway-electric-...
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Climate change activists have been saying this for years- the most important step everyone can take is firstly, reducing their consumption. Obviously
EVs are better for the environment than gas-powered vehicles, but utilizing public transportation is obviously better than driving a private vehicle
at all. (For this to be an option, of course the powers that be have to make sure there are viable public transportation options)
But the majority of people, especially in North America, are unwilling to change anything about their lifestyle for the common good.
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Since a discussion of politics is not allowed here at least for me. Let’s discuss the recent meeting in San Francisco where the climate was slightly
discussed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/us/san-francisco-apec-cit...
You would need to have your heads pretty far in the sand not to understand how public health and safety for the common good rates.
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Every place in the world races to "clean up" when there is some major international event taking place in their city. It's not something unique to SF,
nor is it political.
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No of course it’s not “political” that’s why they did zip nothing to clean up the place for the last 2 or more decades. They’re really
concerned for the common good you are always talking about.
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As I said, everyplace, many of which have issues under normal circumstances, disappear the homeless people, the drug addicts and dealers, the garbage
and the potholes before a major event. Not sure what's so hard for you to acknowledge about that, and why you feel the need to characterize it as
political.
And when I've talked about the "common good, it has been in reference to individuals putting the common good above their own personal "wants" and
comfy lifestyles, not in reference to how whoever happens to be in political power deals with things. Choosing not to buy a gas-guzzling truck is a
lot easier than trying to solve a homeless, drug, or violent crime problem.
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Interesting
The States Producing the Most CO2 Per Capita
https://www.statista.com/chart/20848/per-capita-co2-emission...
And this is interesting too…
List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...
[Edited on 12-1-2023 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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CO2 Emissions by country & Per Capita
Note that China where many of the solar and wind generators come from is at the top of the list. Also note that Canadians emit more CO2 per capita
than the US citizens do. Note as well that Mexico emits way less per capita.
The added chart is self explanatory. It graphs consumption and production CO2. It’s easy to see where the increases are,
India actually meets the 2T/y emission standard so to live like they do in India is your goal.
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You're using a chart of stats from 2016? From before there were serious efforts to reduce carbon emissions? How pointless, RFC.
Aside from that, CO2 emissions per capita aren't really pertinent, because it's big industries, rather than individuals, that are the major producers
of CO2. So countries with heavy CO2 producing factories, and large populations, as opposed to countries with heavy CO2 producing industries, but
comparatively low populations, skew the "per capita" rates. Also, both China and India have high CO2 emissions, but those countries are creating that
CO2 mostly through manufacturing for export to world markets. So it's the consumers of the products produced there, who aren't the Chinese or East
Indians, who are actually the people who should be counted in the per capita rate for those countries' pollution.
If everyone only consumed products manufactured in their own countries, then per capita rates would be of interest. But the world isn't like that.
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Clarkles,
Post the ranking of per capita co2 emissions.
Can’t handle the truth?
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Those green states must be doing something better, eh?
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Goat,
Per capita has been posted Canada’s per capita is higher. You can’t read!
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In 2016. Your posted information is out of date by 7 years. Nice way to disseminate disinformation.
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2022 and Canada is still higher Per Capita
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why not just offer the whole story?
https://climate.selectra.com/en/carbon-footprint/most-pollut...
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Hi,
Read back. I did post that. The climate scolds here don’t want to deal with the fact that China emits the most CO2 (29+%) mostly in the support of
manufacturing “Green” solar, wind and EV parts/systems. The cost of that CO2 is mostly swept under the rug.
The scolds have a goal of forcing change through pressure and legislation. As demonstrated recently what really drives them is their image. San
Francisco has had a decades long problem with dirty, unsanitary and unsafe street's/sidewalks. Almost nothing has been done to solve the problem. The
opposite is the case. The “Right” to camp, poop, shoot up and steal has been defended in word and deed.
Comes a pending visit from a foreign dictator and a clean up must be done not for the health or safety of the citizens, but for the protection of
their image.
When the Russians built Potemkin Villages for the Tsar to drive by. We scorned them! How times change. One must wonder if they dressed the homeless
drug users and staged the abandoned stores and shops.
Wonder no more! Yes they did!
“ San Francisco had the air this week of teenagers frantically cleaning up after a house party with their parents on the way home.
On Market Street, the city’s main thoroughfare, maintenance workers resurfaced uneven sidewalks and installed plywood over empty tree wells.
Nearby, a crew gave a long-derelict plaza a makeover by turning it into a skateboard park and outdoor cafe with pingpong tables, chess boards and
scores of potted plants. Elsewhere, workers painted decorative crosswalks and new murals, wiped away graffiti, picked up piles of trash and removed
scaffolding to show off a refurbished clock tower at the Ferry Building.”
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Hi,
China emits the most CO2 (29+%) mostly in the support of manufacturing “Green” solar, wind and EV parts/systems.
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Source for that statement? And why are you conflating dirty sidewalks and homeless encampments with global pollution that affects the entire planet
and every living thing on it? How absurd.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Hi,
Read back. I did post that. The climate scolds here don’t want to deal with the fact that China emits the most CO2 (29+%) mostly in the support of
manufacturing “Green” solar, wind and EV parts/systems. The cost of that CO2 is mostly swept under the rug.
The scolds have a goal of forcing change through pressure and legislation. As demonstrated recently what really drives them is their image. San
Francisco has had a decades long problem with dirty, unsanitary and unsafe street's/sidewalks. Almost nothing has been done to solve the problem. The
opposite is the case. The “Right” to camp, poop, shoot up and steal has been defended in word and deed.
Comes a pending visit from a foreign dictator and a clean up must be done not for the health or safety of the citizens, but for the protection of
their image.
When the Russians built Potemkin Villages for the Tsar to drive by. We scorned them! How times change. One must wonder if they dressed the homeless
drug users and staged the abandoned stores and shops. |
On a per capita basis, china emits half of what usa emits. China has many more people than usa, so total exceeds usa.
china performs well when you look at per capita emissions.
Americans are fat, lazy, gluttonous— so high per capita emissions.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Telling the whole story wouldn't be convenient for his agenda, would it?
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Yes, and SFO is our “Tsar’s Potemkin village”!
The posted charts show all of those things. Including that Canada emits more per capita CO2 than the US. Your dogma won’t allow you to deal with
that.
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