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surabi
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What part of per capita rates being largely pointless, as a total country's CO2 emissions are not based upon the carbon footprint of individuals,
eludes you?
And it's absurd that you find it necessary to prove that Americans are somehow more responsible than Canadians when it comes to curbing emissions,
when you are quibbling about a 1.11% difference, according to your chart.
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You will have to take per capita pollution up with the goat. Personally I think the total CO2 is more important.
That said Canada has been a gross polluter.
Does the Sudbury Super Stack jog your memory?
[Edited on 12-2-2023 by RFClark]
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China's progress on renewables to meet climate goals undermined by coal expansion-research
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/chinas...
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surabi
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  |
That said Canada has been a gross polluter.
Does the Sudbury Super Stack jog your memory?
[Edited on 12-2-2023 by RFClark] |
What is your point, RFClark? I have never defended any country's pollution output. And it isn't some "who's worse" competition. Everyone needs to
lower their emissions.
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My point is that you probably never herd of the Sudbury Super Stack.
Just like removing Sulphur from the air without replacing it with something else to reflect the sun’s energy is making the world hotter, using
Chinese Solar built with coal fired power is net also not reducing CO2 production either.
[Edited on 12-2-2023 by RFClark]
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surabi
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Your point is that you assume I've never heard of something?  There's lots of
things I've never heard of. Lots of things you've never heard of, too. So what?
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RFClark
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Here’s a clue Sudbury was both the world’s largest point source Sulphur Dioxide emitter and an international Success Story in cleaning up SO2
emissions.
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Clarkie:
What is the point of you blathering on about last century’s pollution? I think all you are illustrating is that cutting emissions works.
Illustrating that cutting GHG emissions may be good for the climate in eastern USA and Canada, and the world!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Goat,
There are several points here.
The Sudbury problem was identified and finally solved. It was solved by an agreement between Canada’s PM and the US President.
China currently emits about 4X as much SO2 as Sudbury at its worst. China is still building hundreds of megawatts of new coal fired generating
capacity. The US is retiring its SO2 clean coal plants to reduce CO2 not building more.
The Chinese Dictator and the current US President just met in SFO. Overlooking the fact that SFO had to be staged to look like a going concern rather
than the disaster it has become. China agreed to use its new coal fired power plants to build solar panels and the US agreed to buy them rather than
boycott them until china actually cleans up its act rather than just talk about it.
It does remind one of the US policy of selling scrap metal to a far Eastern country that ultimately returned some of that metal in the form of bombs
delivered back to the US about 3 days from now in 1941!
The current agreement is a rather different outcome than that agreement from the last century!
That difference is the point!
[Edited on 12-4-2023 by RFClark]
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Global carbon emissions from fossil fuels are at a record HIGH
The largest total increases came from India and China, where carbon emissions rose by 8.2 and four per cent respectively.
But In the EU, total emissions actually fell by 7.4 per cent compared with the previous year.
Emissions also began to decline slowly in the US, where the amount of CO2 released decreased by three per cent.
https://apple.news/AWEcN1YIRTvmlJTuAl7Zb0g
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To quote Mark Twain......
"If you don't read a newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you are misinformed."
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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The comment you quoted above was based on what he posted, not presumptions about what anyone reads or doesn't read, what their lifestyle is, or
anything else I have no direct knowledge about and simply make up.
FYI JZ makes it a habit to make up things about me all the time and post his baseless lies about me.
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RFClark
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Cut down the Palm Tree!
Recycling palm trees could cut methane emissions and create a green alternative to plywood.
https://apple.news/AJoSz8qnpTPytN-nLlU_nPw
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Tall Grass as a CO2 & Pollution Control Option
Where we live has a problem with dust pollution from the dirt roads. As an attempt to mitigate that problem we planted very fast growing grass next to
the street and in front of the house.
We are allowing the grass to grow 6” tall to facilitate dust control. I decided to look into the possible Carbon benefits of grass as well. As it
turns out there’s a body of work on the subject.
Tall grass turns out to sequester as much Carbon as trees, but unlike trees, grass sequesters most of the Carbon in the earth.
The water requirement for 2500 sq ft of tall grass is around 4 CU. M. Per month which about equals our gray water production. The grass probably
sequesters about a ton of Carbon per year. Since the water is pumped by solar there is no Carbon offset.
Growing more grass is one of the quickest ways to sequester Carbon and involves no expensive technology. Some sanitation districts supply processed
water to golf courses and grasslands currently. Unfortunately many others simply allow the processed water to flow out to the sea and be wasted.
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There are alternatives to returning to the cave dwelling days
There are also alternatives to the current "the sky is falling" mentality.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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Water that flows out to sea isn't "wasted". 86% of rain and snow come from evaporated ocean water. And while it works for you, because you are using
your grey water (mine also flows out to various parts of my garden), the majority of people don't have grey water systems and growing grass for most
people uses far too much water.
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“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that [is] it’s an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do
before.”
During the period between the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise in temperatures around the world a large group of activists were without a
compelling cause. Now again they have one. “The fear of Hell has always been more compelling than the love of Heaven”. Today’s “Dogma” is
The “science” is settled. End your evil ways and do as we say (but not as we do) or you will all be drowned in boiling water!
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Treated wastewater that flows into the sea is wasted. Los Angeles as an example. The LA river averages a flow of around 100 cu ft/sec. The majority of
which is from wastewater treatment plants located along it. The water quality of which is required to be safe for human contact.
100 cu ft/sec of water waters a lot of golf courses, greenbelts, parks (Griffith Park is adjacent to the LA river) and lawns. All of which sequester
lots of Carbon in their grass. But that’s not what’s being done. The water is wasted so “back to nature types” can have a “natural” river
of treated sewer water to canoe down!
That’s 360,000 cu ft/hr times 7.48 gal wasted 24 hrs a day.
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Use the LA river water?
OK how are you going to treat it?
Where are you going to use it?
How are you going to transport it to its end use?
How much will it cost to treat it?
How much environmental affect is there in building the treatment facility and operating it? (Certainly not built with electric vehicles)
What do we do with the now dry river bed?
Do we just kill the entire eco-system that now resides in the river system?
Its easy to say we need to use the water Its another thing to have a plan for the postulation
By one article the greening of the river is discrimination against people of color because it causes a change in the demographics of those living in
neighborhoods along the river
One side wants to preserve the green space and another wants to call it discrimination!
Looks like a circular firing squad to me.
Why has no one brought up the much larger issue of where the Hyperion Sewer Plant dumps its daily treated sewage?
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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