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surabi
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Chernobyl was a human failure not a reactor failure. ***ushima was criminal bad engineering design work. The reactors didn’t fail the emergency
diesel generators were located where they could be flooded by sea water.
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Anything built by humans that fails, fails because of human error at some point in the process, duh. And you expect that to change?
So building things that have the potential to kill or sicken massive numbers of people and other life forms when they fail isn't a very smart idea.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | If you are trying to say battery banks charged by solar and wind are useable as base load you are wrong for at least the next 15-20 years. Goat’s
home town (SD) gets its base load from CFE in Baja North, Imperial County and the Nuke power plant over in AZ. NIMBY! |
OK boomer
The concept of baseload plants is a bolmer notion, and an outdated relic of the fossil fuel era. 'Always on' coal and nuclear plants used to generate
the cheapest energy available on the grid and hence were the first to be dispatched to meet “baseload” demand. That is no longer the case. Wind
and solar are now the lowest cost and preferred baseload sources. This shift is pushing out the need for inflexible baseload plants.
Modern grids need flexible dispatchable sources. Hydro, storage, demand response and, gas peakers, etc.. In the future we will see some mix of these
along with additional/supplemental wind and solar, which possibly will be cheaper than large amounts of battery storage.
Things are changing, boomer!
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | If you are trying to say battery banks charged by solar and wind are useable as base load you are wrong for at least the next 15-20 years. Goat’s
home town (SD) gets its base load from CFE in Baja North, Imperial County and the Nuke power plant over in AZ. NIMBY! |
NIMBY nearly derailed the Cape and Islands wind turbine projects. Millionaires didn't want to ruin their ocean views.
Most of the Cape currently gets its power from a diesel plant located in Sandwich. The Pilgrim nuclear power plant in Plymouth was decommissioned
several years ago.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | | Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | | If you are trying to say battery banks charged by solar and wind are useable as base load you are wrong for at least the next 15-20 years. Goat’s
home town (SD) gets its base load from CFE in Baja North, Imperial County and the Nuke power plant over in AZ. NIMBY! |
NIMBY nearly derailed the Cape and Islands wind turbine projects. Millionaires didn't want to ruin their ocean views.
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Lots of people appreciate views, even non-millionaires.
I prefer distributed roof top solar, and building wind farms far away from recreational areas. The solar farms and wind turbines are ugly! They
ruined many views in east san diego county and baja with wind turbines, and the hundreds of blinky lights at night.
They should also change the aviation law and get rid of navigation lights on wind turbines. Pilots need to stay at higher elevations, and not rely on
crutch of navigation lights to avoid wind turbines.
If you banned the blinky lights, night time views would be restored.
If pilots can avoid flying into side of mountain without a warning light, cant they avoid a wind turbine without light?
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Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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San Diego in particular and California in general get much of their base load from elsewhere.
“SDGE has two 230 kV lines (Miguel-Tijuana line and the LaRosita-Imperial Valley Line) that connect the Californian transmission system with the
Mexican Comisión Federal de Electricidad transmission system in Baja California. The Path 45 transmission corridor, spanning over the United
States-Mexico border, has a capacity of 408 Megawatts. SDGE has a 500 kV line connecting to Arizona Public Service. There is also a 230 kV line
connecting to Imperial Irrigation District. Both of these are part of the massive Path 46 transmission system ensuring Southern California has
adequate energy.[6]
The Sunrise Powerlink 117-mile, 500 kV transmission line linking San Diego to Imperial Valley, one of the most renewable-rich regions in California
was put into service on June 18, 2012.”
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Doh! Most elec energy users get their elec energy from elsewhere! That is why we have transmission and distribution lines! Thanks for reminding
us, clarkles! What would we do without your repetition?!?!?!?
Woke!
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The biggest power plant in the SD area is in Mexicali then there’s the power from the CFE plant down at Rosarita Beach that comes through TJ. and
all that power that comes through Yuma from the AZ nuke plant. NIMBY!
That said no Nukes for civilian power just lots of Navy nukes because civilian nukes might ruin your day? Of course all those Navy jobs and service
paychecks do support SD. Hypocrisy? None for me thanks!
I have a problem with those who “throw their climate trash over the fence into OP’s backyards and crow about how green they are!”
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | The biggest power plant in the SD area is in Mexicali then there’s the power from the CFE plant down at Rosarita Beach that comes through TJ. and
all that power that comes through Yuma from the AZ nuke plant. NIMBY!
That said no Nukes for civilian power just lots of Navy nukes because civilian nukes might ruin your day? Of course all those Navy jobs and service
paychecks do support SD. Hypocrisy? None for me thanks!
I have a problem with those who “throw their climate trash over the fence into OP’s backyards and crow about how green they are!”
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man you do live in a box don't you! 
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Yep! Built it ourselves, generate our own power too! You’re welcome to stop by and see it. Unlike the Climate Hypocrites you know who we are and
where we live.
Happy Holidays!
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No, you didn't "built it ourselves". You had a crew of workers and tradesman who did the vast majority of the labor. As opposed to people who actually
did physically build their homes themselves.
I designed my house, oversaw the crew, and did a lot of the finish work myself, but would never claim that I "built it myself".
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Yep! Built it ourselves, generate our own power too! You’re welcome to stop by and see it. Unlike the Climate Hypocrites you know who we are and
where we live.
Happy Holidays! |
wasn't referring to your house........
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our·selves
/ourˈselvz,ärˈselvz/
pronoun
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used as the object of a verb or preposition when this is the same as the subject of the clause and the subject is the speaker and one or more other
people considered together.
"for this we can only blame ourselves"
2.
we or us personally (used to emphasize the speaker and one or more other people considered together).
"we invented it ourselves"
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OK, you still know who we are and where we live. You’re still welcome to visit. Unlike others who hide and sling shade from the shadows!
Sunlight is a great disinfectant and generates electricity!
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Sunlight causes cancer!
And back to the topic at hand, sunlight interacts with our GHG emissions and causes our planet to warm, sea levels to rise, and thereby endangers that
stupid palm tree!
Woke!
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Yes, and cleaning the air, no mater how noble a cause, without regard to replacing the SO2 that had been creating clouds with something else like
Aluminum Oxide is the reason for the knee on the temperature charts post the ‘91 Clean Air Act. Causing more skin cancer and endangering the palm
tree along with the rest of us.
No good deed goes unpunished!
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I don't get it
We're on a planet that has been around for 5 BILLION years
Its had life on it for a billion years
Its gone through untold atmospheric cataclysms not the least of which was a meteor impact that did kill most of the dinosaurs and yet life a we know
it still survived
AND we are supposed to worry about how WE are killing the planet with a small amount of CO2 in comparison to total world history
AND its supposed to happen in 10 more years?
Some people need a reality check
Drink more wine and watch the sunsets as they will be here long after we are gone.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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Cliffy,
Some here whose “engineering skills” are stretched by operating a light switch fail to understand the as yet unmatched abilities Space X and
StarLink bring to the defense of the US and its allies.
Their goal (the Climate Scolds) is to limit not employ technology to “save the climate”. They ignore what even a small nuclear war will do to the
climate past killing millions of people. Look around the climate might be a problem in the future. As things are developing a larger war could break
out far sooner and be far more deadly.
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A regional war equals driving 13 Billion Miles a year.
This pollution estimate is probably quite low as only some of the information is available. For comparison about 340 Billion miles a year are driven
in California.
https://theconversation.com/how-to-assess-the-carbon-footpri...
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It's one thing to carry on a discussion with someone whose views differ from yours, but it's impossible and a total waste of time to discuss anything
with people who lap up conspiracy theories and disinformation as if it had credibility, simply because it "confirms" their own erroneous ideas.
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“Dogma” is just “conspiracy theory” by a different name. Neither facilitate rational discussion. That the “Dogma People” liberally apply
“conspiracy theory” to that which fails to conform to their “Dogma” limits any possibility of any rational discussion. But that is because
they don’t want “discussion” they want “Obedience”!
The Dogma put forward by the climate change crowd, that there was a “conspiracy” to “cover up” the negative effects of pollution generated by
human endeavor flys in the face of history as an example.
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