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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:17 AM


Goat,

It’s not that simple. Here’s a timeline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events

In other news. California is issuing permits to cut Christmas trees for the 1st time. The bad forest management pain finally reached SAC.
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:24 AM


It appears while growth is decent we have a long way to go in NA BEV sales. California had a fair concentration of Tesla Model 3's strung along I5 last time we drove down along with a surprisingly high number of under utilized charging stations:
https://insideevs.com/news/623664/record-market-share-evs-us...

[Edited on 11-27-2022 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:25 AM





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[Edited on 11-27-2022 by mtgoat666]




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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:29 AM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Goat,

It’s not that simple. Here’s a timeline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events

In other news. California is issuing permits to cut Christmas trees for the 1st time. The bad forest management pain finally reached SAC.


Nearly all of California’s 33 million acres of forested land are owned by the federal government (19 million acres or 57%), private timber companies (5 million acres) and tens of thousands of private landowners (9 million acres). The State of California owns less than 3% of the forested land. The traditional role of the state and local agencies in managing forests has been limited.

https://advocacy.calchamber.com/policy/issues/forest-managem...




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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:35 AM


Is there some regulation that prevents states from managing the federal owned lands within their states? Perhaps it's time to allow them to manage their own resources rather than being prevented by federal agencies?
Seems to be an odd system, as up here, the provinces have control and accountability for managing their resources. The federal government kicks in with additional funding when necessary.

[Edited on 11-27-2022 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:43 AM


Crazy Cat,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-managing-its...

The pain has reached SAC and now what about D.C?
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:52 AM


Clearing out underbrush around power lines and transformers rail lines and hiways seems like a no brainer to me, its done here regularly to prevent fires.

Why would anyone take exception to that?

Arson is another growing problem....how do you prevent crazies from wanting to start fires for their twisted purposes? Our most recent large local wildfire was caused by someone purposing lighting a wood storage pile at a licensed logging site for "shock effect". What they were trying to accomplish is beyond me.

The massive number of rail shunts attempting to derail fuel trains in Whatcom county WA (eventually effective in causing a fuel train derailment and fires) is another good example of crazies seeking to force their position on a society.




[Edited on 11-27-2022 by JDCanuck]




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:55 AM


“Science is the process and the body of knowledge that enables us humans to know nature. So far, it’s the best idea we’ve ever had.”





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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 11:58 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Clearing out underbrush around power lines and transformers seems like a no brainer to me, its done here regularly to prevent fires.

Why would anyone take exception to that?


No one takes exception to that!




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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 12:03 PM


Will ppl acknowledge this uncomfortable situation?






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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 12:05 PM


https://ccst.us/california-wildfires-lessons-from-field-work...

“The San Pedro Martir is the most resilient forest that I have ever seen,” Dr. Stephens told me. “We continue to work there to learn more about it and have used information from this area to inform California forest management.”


https://nature.berkeley.edu/stephenslab/

We listened to a talk by Dr. Stephens some years ago and were inspired to visit SPDM and it was eye opening to see the difference compared to any other forest we had ever visited. My family had a cabin in Ruidoso, NM and the surrounding Apache-Mescalero forest was managed closer to the way SPDM was so that most forest fires were not devasting. Science is constantly learning and hopefully those in charge will listen and learn too.




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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 12:07 PM


Ruidoso is the t!ts. Sweet little town.





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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 12:21 PM


Thanks Elgatoloco: That forest appears to be in the area that NASA satellite pictures show especially extensive greening in recent years. Nice to see something positive posted. One of the other great bits of news to come out recently was NASA's study showing global greening exceeding 20% in past 3 decades. How much CO2 enhancement played into that is not known. So far credit has been given entirely to replanting efforts.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...
"The greening of the lands during the first fifteen years in the 21st century represented an additional heat dissipation (2.97×1021 J) from the surface equivalent to five times the total energy produced and used by humans in 2015 (5.71×1020 J). This greening-induced cooling effect was twenty-five times stronger than the warming effect caused by tropical deforestation."

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A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 01:27 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Clearing out underbrush around power lines and transformers seems like a no brainer to me, its done here regularly to prevent fires.

Why would anyone take exception to that?


No one takes exception to that!


Okay...so the misunderstanding came out of what "raking the forest"could refer to. It's not about leaves, but the underbrush that provides fuel to fires.
A google search on "brush rakes" could be helpful to arrive at a better understanding of clearing out underbrush as it's commonly done in Finland and Canada.




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 02:12 PM


China is to blame for so much of mother earths degradation. They are far from the only ones.

What do they do with their profits?

Buy all the ivory they can.

Buy all the essential minerals they can from countries that have little options for investing in their precious mineral reserves.

Never mind. That this sentiment will fall on deaf ears is guaranteed.

I had to look up Gravitas to answer for myself whether they are another tool for the oil companies profiteering. I am still in doubt about their main motivation, if it is not to support the continuing destruction of our livable planet through oil consumption.

The end users of these precious minerals should step up and prevent child labor, prevent habitat loss, prevent pollution. Easier said than done.

The dark days in Mudville are upon us all and profits above any other consideration rule the day. My youth of the 60's revolution has been squandered for profiteering at all costs.

We were so hopeful back then. Greta is a hero for all seasons of mankind. She says what others will not. Bravo Greta. Your voice is a breath of fresh air while we still have it to breathe.

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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 02:29 PM


The answer is pretty simple:

- Invest a lot more in nuclear for the power grid
- Give incentives for EV's usage, especially in large/dense cities, but don't force it down everyone's throats
- Use renewable energy where it makes sense. Don't try to use it to power the grid
- Stop America's dependencies on rouge foreign nations for natural resources

This will give us clean air and energy and national security.

Don't think a governments can alter natural climate change. And even if they could, nothing the USA could do would make a dent unless China, India, Russia and a bunch of other countries did the same thing. And that's just not happening.






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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 02:37 PM


Greta has the political power to change the world and it appears to me she is increasingly using it wisely as she matures. Peaceful protests and lawsuits forcing the government.....but why Sweden, which is one of the best in this regard? ....to reconsider their actions.
The real change we need is at the grassroots level as people increasingly limit their energy use on an individual basis. Until then, their needs for the basics of food and energy will overwhelm anything the government and people like Musk can do.

Personal transport remains one of the most individually controllable excesses we see, especially in a low population density country like Canada. Yet we see individuals choosing to buy less and less efficient vehicles when far more efficient and climate neutral ones are available for the majority of their uses.
Incentivizing a reversal of that trend is I think the best use of government oversite, as has been done so effectively in Sweden.




A century later and it's still just as applicable: Desiderata: http://mwkworks.com/desiderata.html
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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 02:45 PM


Lulz.










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[*] posted on 11-27-2022 at 02:50 PM


We here in NA have seen actions driving the cost of living up through increased taxes, but very few incentives to shift to alternatives. This has the effect of leaving the masses in the position of sticking with older, inefficient transportation even longer simply because they are poorer than they were two years ago.
Sweden has removed almost all taxes on EV's and they now find it much cheaper to buy an EV than a fossil fuel vehicle, as this year's EV sales there indicate.




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