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[*] posted on 8-8-2023 at 09:25 PM


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When you and goat choke on considering that the data being collected by real scientists and published in real journals shows that the models are wrong and that according to those papers ocean warming could be overstated by as much as 30%. You and goat are climate change deniers just like those who deny it’s changing at all.

This is another example of the “this” in “if this keeps up” being overstated. I bet that the major news outlets won’t cover this major climate change news cause it doesn’t fit their narrative.
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 03:47 AM


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/hoodies-sell-o...

“Tonga is bracing for more chilly weather as the Pacific nation shivers through one of its coldest winters ever, sparking a rush for jackets and heating units.

The island has experienced unusually cold weather through July and Tonga Meteorological Services (TMS) recorded a low of 9.3 degrees Celsius at the Lapaha village weather station at the end of the month. The country’s record low of 8.7C was set in September 1994.

Better known for its warm weather and beaches, the archipelago in the south Pacific ocean usually sees winter temperatures in the range of 18C to 21C.”
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 07:47 AM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
S,

When you and goat choke on considering that the data being collected by real scientists and published in real journals shows that the models are wrong and that according to those papers ocean warming could be overstated by as much as 30%. You and goat are climate change deniers just like those who deny it’s changing at all.

This is another example of the “this” in “if this keeps up” being overstated. I bet that the major news outlets won’t cover this major climate change news cause it doesn’t fit their narrative.


Once again RF - can you give me an actual citation of these papers? where are you getting your "facts"
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 07:52 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
As she explains, all these "scientists" have an incentive to exaggerate CC.

And those that don't are cast out. To deny those facts would require a lot of putting your head in the sand. The system is financially biased to only support one outcome.

It takes an open mind to see through all the bs. Have an open mind instead of insulting someone's character.



Once again - you purposely ignore my questions and facts - and try to shout louder so no one hears the truth.
virtually all of the "points" she makes in the video - calling the scientists predictions wrong - or over inflated - well guess what - here we are 10 years later - and turns out those scientific predictions are accurate and cominf true - and she is flat wrong.

You should have no issues with that JZ - thats the way science works - she made a bunch of claims - - and turns out - those claims are provably wrong - with real data - - deal with it - another False prophet for the MAGA marooonS unmasked!
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 10:55 AM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/hoodies-sell-o...

“Tonga is bracing for more chilly weather as the Pacific nation shivers through one of its coldest winters ever, sparking a rush for jackets and heating units.

The island has experienced unusually cold weather through July and Tonga Meteorological Services (TMS) recorded a low of 9.3 degrees Celsius at the Lapaha village weather station at the end of the month. The country’s record low of 8.7C was set in September 1994.

Better known for its warm weather and beaches, the archipelago in the south Pacific ocean usually sees winter temperatures in the range of 18C to 21C.”


What's your point, RF? That because it's unprecendently cold somewhere that means there's not global warming?
That's exactly part of the escalating climate change- unnaturally cold in some areas and unnaturally hot in others.
You obviously don't understand climate change at all.
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 12:52 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
An electric bus company that was touted as the future by govt. officials goes bankrupt. It received millions (billions?) in funding from the government. Several govt. officials and big political cats had major shares/board seats in the company. All cashed out before the collapse.

This is the corruption in govt. from seeding the EV industry that we all warned about. This is what happens when the government drives things. Especially before technology or infrastructure are ready for it.


Scratching my head. Read your comments and think ''so what?''

Are you losing sleep over corruption?

In the 60s, some people demonstrated by withholding taxes from the gov't that was feeding the war. Noble thoughts but flawed.

Stop paying taxes JZ that feed climate change. Walk the walk.

You might be too sensitive for the corruption in the US. It's all corrupt. Deal with it.




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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 03:51 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
An electric bus company that was touted as the future by govt. officials goes bankrupt. It received millions (billions?) in funding from the government. Several govt. officials and big political cats had major shares/board seats in the company. All cashed out before the collapse.

This is the corruption in govt. from seeding the EV industry that we all warned about. This is what happens when the government drives things. Especially before technology or infrastructure are ready for it.


Scratching my head. Read your comments and think ''so what?''

Are you losing sleep over corruption?

In the 60s, some people demonstrated by withholding taxes from the gov't that was feeding the war. Noble thoughts but flawed.

Stop paying taxes JZ that feed climate change. Walk the walk.

You might be too sensitive for the corruption in the US. It's all corrupt. Deal with it.


Good council for all the like minded fossil fuel fascists on BN.
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 05:06 PM


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Which part of you are a climate change denier cause you can’t deal with your “if this keeps up” being overstated by 30%!

Again 30% is equal to the entire US quitting using hydrocarbons.

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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 05:18 PM


Caj13,

Start here, they reference other sources.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25934500-100-somethin...

https://thebulletin.org/2022/12/whats-wrong-with-these-clima...

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/06/24/pacific-ocean-c...

https://www.science.org/content/article/use-too-hot-climate-...
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 07:16 PM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
S,

Which part of you are a climate change denier....



Oh, cute, now you right wingers are perverting the meaning of "denier", just like you have perverted the meaning of "baby", "woke", "groomer" and "pedophile"?
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[*] posted on 8-9-2023 at 09:06 PM


MAGA :lol:



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[*] posted on 8-11-2023 at 09:15 AM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
We need another clean up on the palm tree isle!


Haha! That is a good one! And yes, you are correct.

Meanwhile, Hawaii governor just blamed the fire on climate change. Time to make some popcorn….
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 11:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
As she explains, all these "scientists" have an incentive to exaggerate CC.

And those that don't are cast out. To deny those facts would require a lot of putting your head in the sand. The system is financially biased to only support one outcome.

It takes an open mind to see through all the bs. Have an open mind instead of insulting someone's character.



first of all JZ - who funds her current research? and second of all - as I already pointed out your beloved video was 12 years old - and current data and trends clearly indicate that she was wrong - turns out those predictions she said were "overstated" turns out they are correct - and shes wrong - see thats how science works - we look at the data, and the data tell us the answer - even if its not what we want to hear!
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 11:48 AM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Caj13,

Start here, they reference other sources.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25934500-100-somethin...

https://thebulletin.org/2022/12/whats-wrong-with-these-clima...

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/06/24/pacific-ocean-c...

https://www.science.org/content/article/use-too-hot-climate-...


so did you not read these? or are you unable to understand them? because what they say - uh - not really what you claim!
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 03:13 PM


How many innocent palm trees died last week in the global-warming-caused wildfires on Maui?




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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 03:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
How many innocent palm trees died last week in the global-warming-caused wildfires on Maui?


Global warming caused wild fires??

Fires are a natural phenomenon that man has no responsibility for.

However, given that man chooses to build structures in fire prone areas, it is wise to do forestry management projects to mitigate the dangers to humans and structures.

Using a fire and ensuing tragedy to promote global warming is disingenuous.

On a side note- wildfires and volcanic activity obviously increase the earths surface temperature much like a stove or fireplace increases your room temperature.

The Hawaiian islands are the byproduct of volcanic eruptions. Fires there are natural. Alarmists ignore that because “recent history” didnt have a fire in that particular location.

Eventually, those islands will fade away to naturally occurring erosion unless there is further volcanic activity. That is a fact.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 07:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Fires are a natural phenomenon that man has no responsibility for.



As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. 85% of wildfires are started by humans. Only a small percentage are caused by natural phenomenon- lightning strikes, hot lava or spontaneous combustion of material caused by intense sunlight.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/wildfire-causes-and-evaluation....

And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater. As do increasing numbers and intensities of hurricanes caused by global warming, as happened in Maui.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 07:30 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Fires are a natural phenomenon that man has no responsibility for.



As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. 85% of wildfires are started by humans. Only a small percentage are caused by natural phenomenon- lightning strikes, hot lava or spontaneous combustion of material caused by intense sunlight.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/wildfire-causes-and-evaluation....

And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater. As do increasing numbers and intensities of hurricanes caused by global warming, as happened in Maui.


Surabi-

You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.

Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush. Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn cycle.

Responsible forestry management by humans involves thinning and cutting and controlled burns. This is for humans to coexist with nature. But your tree hugger brethren tries to stop that every time.

Put your climate cult coffee mug down and go back to speaking about something you are knowledgeable. If that exists.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 07:32 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  


And global warming, leading to dry, drought conditions obviously makes the likelihood of a fire spreading quickly much greater.


That depends on other factors. Drought where I am right now in Northern CA is an annual event. This year the fire danger is much higher because we had a wet, cold winter. I lost dozens of mature trees either broken by heavy, wind driven sleet, or they went over roots and all due to saturated soil.

I have been working for months to pile and burn the limbs and broken tops, but the extra water content in the soil plus more sunlight reaching the ground has resulted in explosive ground cover growth, which is now becoming wild fire fuel.




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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 08:16 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  




You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.

Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush. Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn cycle.



I suggest you tell 90% of the world's climate scientists how grossly ignorant they are.

And what part of "85% of wildfires are started by humans" is difficult for you to grasp? If only 15% are started by natural causes, obviously the wildfires that have occurred "since the dawn of time" were far less frequent and widespread without humans around. Therefore, the number of wildfires caused by man, and the amount of forests they are responsible for burning down is neither natural nor "good".

Your inability to think logically or accept any facts which don't jive with your preconceived notions is rivaled only by your overestimation of your own intelligence.

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