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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 08:50 PM


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You are grossly ignorant to how many things work. Yet you continue to live in your own haze.

Wildfires have occurred since the dawn of time. They are actually very healthy for the forests as they naturally clean out the dense dead underbrush. Which by the way is also natural. The only thing man is responsible for in this is building structures in the path of nature’s inevitable burn cycle.



I suggest you tell 90% of the world's climate scientists how grossly ignorant they are.

And what part of "85% of wildfires are started by humans" is difficult for you to grasp? If only 15% are started by natural causes, obviously the wildfires that have occurred "since the dawn of time" were far less frequent and widespread without humans around. Therefore, the number of wildfires caused by man, and the amount of forests they are responsible for burning down is neither natural nor "good".

Your inability to think logically or accept any facts which don't jive with your preconceived notions is rivaled only by your overestimation of your own intelligence.



Surabi-

To have an intelligent dialogue you must realize the comparison must be made assuming humans dont exist. In that case, 100 percent of the fires will be caused by natural events.

If that was the case, the forests naturally burn and arent stopped by firefighting/ aerial attacks/ cutting fire breaks to stop the fire.

You have a hard time seeing things through a prism apart from man made climate change.

Some additional food for your starving thought process- Many fires caused by lightning are allowed to burn out naturally when they dont have any manmade structures that need protected.
You need to realize the urgency and emergency nature of stopping these fires would not exist if humans weren’t continuing to build more and more into areas that were previously pristine.

Firefighting is a relatively modern technique. To my knowledge, there are no other inhabitants of earth beside humans that have the inclination or the ability to stop a fire.

Your world is one of doom and gloom. Sorry I can’t help you with that.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 09:21 PM


Sorry to disappoint you, but my world is not one of doom and gloom, it is working for positive change.

Everything you have to say on the topic of climate change is either irrelevant or condescending, as if I or others don't understand the kindergarten level statements you make.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 09:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Sorry to disappoint you, but my world is not one of doom and gloom, it is working for positive change.

Everything you have to say on the topic of climate change is either irrelevant or condescending, as if I or others don't understand the kindergarten level statements you make.


I mean no condescension toward you. I have given you opportunity to prove some of your slanderous statements about other posters on this board.

It isn’t condescending to tell someone they haven’t weighed the other possibilities. You have handcuffed and chained yourself to an ideology that is definitely unproven.

In your mind, it seems you are unable to see anything other than the world is going to burn to the ground as a result of the brainwashing from political idealogues that have a horse in the race.

I implore you to take your goggles and mask off and look at and smell the roses for yourself. They are much more beautiful in person than just listening to how they are described by others.
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 09:40 PM


caj13 & surabi,

I’m not saying anything the articles I posted are saying things. Basically that the real weather isn’t following their models and scientists are using models that predict unrealistically high temperatures.

“Something strange is happening in the Pacific and we must find out why
Unexpectedly, the eastern Pacific Ocean is cooling. If this “cold tongue” continues, it could reduce greenhouse gas warming by 30 per cent – but also bring megadrought to the US”

“ Scientists need to get much choosier in how they use model results, a group of climate scientists argues in a commentary published today in Nature. Researchers should no longer simply use the average of all the climate model projections, which can result in global temperatures by 2100 up to 0.7°C warmer than an estimate from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). “We need to use a slightly different approach,” says Zeke Hausfather, climate research lead at payment services company Stripe and lead author of the commentary. “We must move away from the naïve idea of model democracy.” Instead, he and his colleagues call for a model meritocracy, prioritizing, at times, results from models known to have more realistic warming rates.”

GIGO!

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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 09:43 PM


Record shattering: Earth had its hottest July in 174 years
https://www.noaa.gov/news/record-shattering-earth-had-its-ho...

And…

Sea ice coverage hit a record low: July 2023 set a record for the lowest global July sea ice extent (coverage) on record. Globally, sea ice extent in July 2023 was about 470,000 square miles less than the previous record low from July 2019.

Goat note: 470,000 sq miles, that’s more than the size of the state of Texas




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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 10:04 PM


Goat,

NOAA has doubled down on an above normal hurricane season for 2023.let’s see how the models do.

“Scientists at NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center — a division of the National Weather Service — have increased their prediction for the ongoing 2023 Atlantic hurricane season from a near-normal level of activity to an above-normal level of activity with today’s update. Forecasters believe that current ocean and atmospheric conditions, such as record-warm Atlantic sea surface temperatures, are likely to counterbalance the usually limiting atmospheric conditions associated with the ongoing El Nino event.

NOAA forecasters have increased the likelihood of an above-normal Atlantic hurricane season to 60% (increased from the outlook issued in May, which predicted a 30% chance). The likelihood of near-normal activity has decreased to 25%, down from the 40% chances outlined in May's outlook. This new update gives the Atlantic a 15% chance of seeing a below-normal season.”
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 10:41 PM


And in Canada...

"By 4 p.m. Monday at least 12 daily heat records had fallen across B.C., surpassing the eight that fell Sunday.

The 40 C benchmark was also broken for the first time in Canada this year, with the mercury hitting 40.5 C near Lytton in the southern Interior and 40.1 C at Lillooet in the Fraser Valley on Monday afternoon."

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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 10:46 PM


Surabi-

Do you expect the world to stay the same? No temperature variation?
Have you ever seen a line graph for 100,000 years or so to see how insignificant these last 100 years is in the grand scheme of things?

Ice ages and extreme heat are nothing new. Stop the BS
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 11:01 PM


No one cares what happened 100,000 years ago except man-made climate change deniers. We care if life can survive on this planet given the rapid and dangerously escalating rate of climate change.

[Edited on 8-15-2023 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 11:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
No one cares what happened 100,000 years ago except man-made climate change deniers. We care if life can survive on this planet given the rapid and dangerously escalating rate of climate change.

[Edited on 8-15-2023 by surabi]


That is exactly what I thought you would come up with.

Apparently science and history only apply to the last couple decades. Talk about context. You are displaying your ignorance “bigly”!
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[*] posted on 8-14-2023 at 11:16 PM


Surabi, Goatchaser, SFH,

If the sea level is really rising as the doomsdayers say, why are $100,000,000 resort projects being built on the beaches all over the world? The banks are financing them…… Why would they do that if they were in danger????

Why do all the climate change politicians own expensive beach front homes?

Why is that????

Can anyone give a rational answer to this?
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 12:31 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Surabi, Goatchaser, SFH,

If the sea level is really rising as the doomsdayers say, why are $100,000,000 resort projects being built on the beaches all over the world? The banks are financing them…… Why would they do that if they were in danger????

Why do all the climate change politicians own expensive beach front homes?

Why is that????

Can anyone give a rational answer to this?


Well, construction loans are just 3 years. The commercial loans post-construction are just 5 to 20 years.

Have you ever noticed that a bank will loan you money for a car, despite that car having high risk of damage, and car decreases in value every day…

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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 08:21 AM


:thumbup: Youth triumphs over old farts! :thumbup:

Climate Change Was on Trial in Montana
A judge found there was “a fundamental constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/climate/climate-change-wa...

The state of Montana has a constitutional obligation to protect its residents from climate change.

That was the stunning ruling from a judge who delivered a landmark decision on Monday. It compels Montana, a major coal and gas producing state, to consider climate change when deciding whether to approve or renew fossil fuel projects.

The state Constitution guarantees residents “the right to a clean and healthful environment.” In a lawsuit, Held v. Montana, 16 young people argued that the government had violated that right by enabling rampant development of fossil fuels, contributing to climate change and polluting the state.





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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 10:09 AM


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Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Apparently science and history only apply to the last couple decades. Talk about context. You are displaying your ignorance “bigly”!


Last couple decades? You are so ignorant.

"On Thursday, June 29, 1826, Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826) recorded his last entry in his weather observation log. This was six days before his death. Jefferson, was a Founding Father of the United States and the country's third president, from 1801 to 1809. He also kept a thorough diary of his meteorological observations.

For more than 50 years, Jefferson actively observed weather to better understand the American climate."

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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 10:31 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
:thumbup: Youth triumphs over old farts! :thumbup:

Climate Change Was on Trial in Montana
A judge found there was “a fundamental constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/climate/climate-change-wa...

The state of Montana has a constitutional obligation to protect its residents from climate change.

That was the stunning ruling from a judge who delivered a landmark decision on Monday. It compels Montana, a major coal and gas producing state, to consider climate change when deciding whether to approve or renew fossil fuel projects.

The state Constitution guarantees residents “the right to a clean and healthful environment.” In a lawsuit, Held v. Montana, 16 young people argued that the government had violated that right by enabling rampant development of fossil fuels, contributing to climate change and polluting the state.



More Woke nonsense. What do those youth use to power their homes, cars, etc.

More “feel good” garbage.
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 10:46 AM


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More Woke nonsense.


The term "woke" specifically refers to being aware of discrimination against others based on their race, gender, nationality, religion, etc.

It has nothing to do with climate change activism, or anything else. But of course the simple-minded don't understand that, and now use it to mean any ideas they deem "liberal". Just like calling gays and trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles", and calling those who care about the good of all rather than just themselves "socialists" and "communists", you love to pervert the meaning of words to use as dog whistles to try to demonize anyone who doesn't think like you.

[Edited on 8-15-2023 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 12:19 PM


Jebus tio, I'm embarrassed for you.
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 12:25 PM


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Jebus tio, I'm embarrassed for you.


Get your feelings hurt much?
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 12:29 PM


These people used to confine themselves to their own communities of like-minded idiots and bigots. Now they shamelessly post their ignorance all over the place and have so little self-awareness, they are incapable of embarrassment and think their views are normal and mainstream.

[Edited on 8-15-2023 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 8-15-2023 at 02:04 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
These people used to confine themselves to their own communities of like-minded idiots and bigots. Now they shamelessly post their ignorance all over the place and have so little self-awareness, they are incapable of embarrassment and think their views are normal and mainstream.

[Edited on 8-15-2023 by surabi]


I agree 100% if you are talking about the "woke" ones on this board. In the old days people minded their own business. Those were happy times. Today you woke folks mind anyone's business you choose, tell them how you act, and on top of that call them nasty names.

What a miserable life you must all live.
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