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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus  | The sale of fuel in Mexico will change dramatically in the next couple of years. Pemex has organized a series of events to take place in order to
prepare Mexico for the incursion of foreign Petrol companies to be allowed to sell their fuel in Mexico starting 2017.
Amongst those changes, starting January 2015 Pemex will no longer set a fixed final price to the public on fuel, instead, they will set a "Maximum"
final price and every gas station owner will be free to set their own price, as long as it is not higher than the Maximum allowed by the Mexican
Government.
This is what we are seeing happening on January 1st... the increase of 3% on fuel to the public is been authorized as the "Maximum" allowed price
during 2015. Supposedly no more monthly increases.
And so it begins...
Antonio M. |
Thank you Antonio... Nice to hear exactly what is going on. 87 octane gallon prices I saw today in San Diego north county range from $2.35 (Costco,
Nordahl & 78)-$2.65 (Shell, Palomar Airport & I-5).
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PAN has asked that the 3% price increase for 2015 be eliminated.
http://oilandgasmagazine.com.mx/2014/12/pan-pide-cancelar-al...
[Edited on 12-29-2014 by rts551]
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus | The sale of fuel in Mexico will change dramatically in the next couple of years. Pemex has organized a series of events to take place in order to
prepare Mexico for the incursion of foreign Petrol companies to be allowed to sell their fuel in Mexico starting 2017
This is what we are seeing happening on January 1st... the increase of 3% on fuel to the public is been authorized as the "Maximum" allowed price
during 2015. Supposedly no more monthly increases.
And so it begins...
Antonio M. |
So based on the volume of gas you must be pumping at your station.. What should we be expecting to see for prices after the 1st? In other words, what
discount % could there be based on your margins..
Maybe Doug will need to come up with a new topic bar "Current Fuel Prices" so we keep up with fuel prices/ stations up and down the Baja to report the
price fluctuations..
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David K
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Let's fuel up in El Rosario always and hope he makes what he needs to keep the ambulance service going. One never knows when it can help someone we
know and all those that would otherwise die or suffer.
How many other Pemex stations give back so much, as Baja Cactus does?
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper | | Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert | | Quote: Originally posted by Hook | A rough translation on pricing:
In this sense, the price of gasoline Magna will have cost this year end 13.31 to 13.70 pesos in 2015; in the case of the premium, the price will
increase from 14.11 to 14.53 pesos, and so will the diesel, which will go from 13.94 to 14.53 pesos.
It appears that this annual increase will replace the monthly increases. But it is far more than the past annual total of all the monthly increases.
This is getting ridiburrous.
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Let's see: Dec 2014 price =13.31p/liter = 50.31 pesos/US gal and on Dec 5th the peso/$ exchange rate was at 14.33 which means the $cost/gal was $3.51.
Now with the Jan. 2015price increased to 13.70p / liter = 51.78 p/US gal but todays peso/$ exchange rate is at 14.71 so the $cost/ gal is now $3.52
(a whole 1 cent increase). |
Why would you use a Dec 5th peso price,today is Dec 29th, the peso is 14.71 and in 2 days the price will be up 3%, not 1 cent.
guess we will have to wait 2 days and see what the exchange rate is then and what price per liter is........
Glad my new Subaru is getting 35 MPG here in Mexico.........
[Edited on 12-29-2014 by bajagrouper] |
Dec 5th was the last day PEMEX increased the price/ liter
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: Originally posted by LaTijereta |
So based on the volume of gas you must be pumping at your station.. What should we be expecting to see for prices after the 1st? In other words, what
discount % could there be based on your margins..
Maybe Doug will need to come up with a new topic bar "Current Fuel Prices" so we keep up with fuel prices/ stations up and down the Baja to report the
price fluctuations..
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Based upon your comments, you may not be that familiar with the fuel business (in general). It's somewhat like the restaurant business, and keeping
the quality up when there's higher volume can be a margin-eater.
One of the "to-do's" here are some separate pages that are more accessible with common topics of interest. It's been a "to-do" for quite a while, but
one step at a time. The forums here were just moved onto a new server in the past few days. Had been using the last server for eight years (since
September, 2006).
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Cost of fuel...
La Tijereta... the problem right now is that the Mexican Government announced there will be a 3% authorized increment in the final sale price to the
customer... What they have not said yet is how much is Pemex increasing the sale price of fuel to the Gas Station owners and of course they will not
publicize that to the public.
So we may end up with 2.6%+ of that 3% directly for Pemex (which will be in order of how they have done business in the past years) ... and since
right now Pemex is the only provider I believe that increase, for the moment, will have to be directly pushed into the final consumer.
In 2017 however (Government is pushing to have it done by 2016 though), things will change dramatically since by then Chevron, Mobil, BP, Texaco and
every other major Petrol company will be able to offer their products in Mexico. When this happens the price of fuel will be settle by the "Offer and
Demand" politics of business, just as any other product.. then things will become interesting.
Antonio M.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Let's fuel up in El Rosario always and hope he makes what he needs to keep the ambulance service going. One never knows when it can help someone we
know and all those that would otherwise die or suffer.
How many other Pemex stations give back so much, as Baja Cactus does? |
why not donate through their web page or on site. been posted here many times. much easier Than having Antonio pay. That is what I do.
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The ambulance came before the web site, so I conclude that gas sales allowed that to happen (also helps the motel maintain high standards and low
rates).
Now that there is a web site, all the easier for additional help, it just isn't a consistent source of income, I would guess?
Here is the Desert Hawks Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/HalconesdelDesierto
Here is a post by BajaCactus from Jan. 2014 with the details on the project and donations: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71485
Desert Hawks... Rescue Services in El Rosario... Emergency, Contact and Help Info
Desert Hawks... Non Profit rescue group in El Rosario:
Emergencies: (616) 103-0262
Local Police Station: (616) 165-8858
BajaCactus: (616) 165-8850 / From the US: (1-619) 694-1082
Cruz Roja San Quintin: (616) 165-3637
Contact info:
Antonio Munoz
info*at*deserthawksrescue.com
Desert Hawks Facebook Page
Donations, in any form and/or quantity, will be much appreciated, rest assure they will help us maintain our services active in this area. We can
received them through our non profit organizations: in the US "Commitment, Inc", in Mexico "Fundacion Commitment International, A.C.", we can provide
tax deductible receipts in both countries.
For cash donations via PayPal: Help Desert Hawks
To send checks in the US:
Commitment, Inc
P.O. Box 178309
San Diego, CA 92177
In both cases, if requested, a letter showing your tax deductible donations will be sent out.
For item donations we have a physical US address, please U2U or e-mail us in order to coordinate with you: info*at*halconesdeldesierto.org
Thank you so much for your help and support... Together we can save lives!!!
Antonio Munoz
BajaCactus
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Sweetwater
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus | La Tijereta... the problem right now is that the Mexican Government announced there will be a 3% authorized increment in the final sale price to the
customer... What they have not said yet is how much is Pemex increasing the sale price of fuel to the Gas Station owners and of course they will not
publicize that to the public.
So we may end up with 2.6%+ of that 3% directly for Pemex (which will be in order of how they have done business in the past years) ... and since
right now Pemex is the only provider I believe that increase, for the moment, will have to be directly pushed into the final consumer.
In 2017 however (Government is pushing to have it done by 2016 though), things will change dramatically since by then Chevron, Mobil, BP, Texaco and
every other major Petrol company will be able to offer their products in Mexico. When this happens the price of fuel will be settle by the "Offer and
Demand" politics of business, just as any other product.. then things will become interesting.
Antonio M. |
Moving into a supply/demand market is a huge change. I can totally understand the dynamics of a government controlled, single source for a high demand
commodity and then having that change to a multisource paradigm. It seems that nobody has addressed that supply side of the issue. I've seen multiple
stations out of product, notably stations in San Ignacio and Gonzaga. I'm sure there are other examples on other paths and locales. I wonder about the
volumes of fuel that are delivered, are you able to count on supply? And in conjunction with your margins, can you pump enough volume to maintain your
business. How will the future change in sources have an impact on that?
Tough times for folks who have to pay a defined price for a commodity that doesn't retain it's value and tough to run a business based on that
product. Good luck!
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rts551
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No more monthly increases
http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/gas-prices-will-rise-3-thurs...
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since I do not consistently buy fuel at Baja cactus, just like a lot of others, but may need the service one day, I prefer to contribute in cash. I
encourage others to do the same. There are some. I guess, that will never contribute, but expect the service if necessary.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | The ambulance came before the web site, so I conclude that gas sales allowed that to happen (also helps the motel maintain high standards and low
rates).
Now that there is a web site, all the easier for additional help, it just isn't a consistent source of income, I would guess?
Here is the Desert Hawks Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/HalconesdelDesierto
Here is a post by BajaCactus from Jan. 2014 with the details on the project and donations: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71485
Desert Hawks... Rescue Services in El Rosario... Emergency, Contact and Help Info
Desert Hawks... Non Profit rescue group in El Rosario:
Emergencies: (616) 103-0262
Local Police Station: (616) 165-8858
BajaCactus: (616) 165-8850 / From the US: (1-619) 694-1082
Cruz Roja San Quintin: (616) 165-3637
Contact info:
Antonio Munoz
info*at*deserthawksrescue.com
Desert Hawks Facebook Page
Donations, in any form and/or quantity, will be much appreciated, rest assure they will help us maintain our services active in this area. We can
received them through our non profit organizations: in the US "Commitment, Inc", in Mexico "Fundacion Commitment International, A.C.", we can provide
tax deductible receipts in both countries.
For cash donations via PayPal: Help Desert Hawks
To send checks in the US:
Commitment, Inc
P.O. Box 178309
San Diego, CA 92177
In both cases, if requested, a letter showing your tax deductible donations will be sent out.
For item donations we have a physical US address, please U2U or e-mail us in order to coordinate with you: info*at*halconesdeldesierto.org
Thank you so much for your help and support... Together we can save lives!!!
Antonio Munoz
BajaCactus
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Never say never.
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Link says "On Dec. 19 the average price per gallon of regular gas in the U.S. was $2.47, the equivalent of 10 pesos per liter " and
if you do the math the exchange rate used would have to have been 15.32p/$ but it has never been that low (so far).
The local price per liter was 13.31p on Dec 19th and the "official" exchange rate was 14.58p/$ which means the equivalent $price/ US gal was $3.46
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I wonder how stable Mexico can remain with the current price of oil and deteriorating exchange rate......it's looking uglier and uglier.....
Brent Crude Fut 56.83 -1.07 -1.85% 13:27
WTI Crude Futr 52.96 -1.16 -2.14% 13:27
USD-MXN 14.7373 0.0008 0.01% 13:49
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6 months ago in the USA, we were paying around $4.00 USD per gallon in California. We have been living with that price for some time actually. The
difference for those of us who spend time in both Baja and the USA is that, in the USA, we put on many more miles than while in Baja, generally. I
mean, take La Paz for instance. The town is only about 7 or 8 miles from one end to the other. Just how many miles can you put on your truck on a
normal day in La Paz? Not that much.
I submit this just to get some relative orientation on the issue.
What is mind boggling is to try to grasp how the locals in Baja are dealing with the price of gasoline for them. Also, I have seen the price of food
jump in Baja, especially for meat and cheese and beans. I would guess that it is making it difficult for the locals to enjoy even traditional Mexican
foods.
However, I have noticed that since credit has been extended to Mexicans for certain purchases, especially vehicles, that the vehicles on the road
these days look very similar to the vehicles on the road in California. There isn't that much difference in the caliber of cars/trucks/SUVs in the
parking lots of, say, Walmart in either California or La Paz.
Maybe I am wrong, but even though the price of gasoline has risen significantly in Baja over the last year, I haven't really noticed whether or not
there are fewer cars on the road in La Paz. Doesn't seem like fewer; seems like the same to me. I see just as many Hummers and Escalades in La Paz
as I do in Orange County, CA. But then again, I suspect that the explanation is that both the USA and Mexico have among the highest lopsided
disparity of income and wealth in the world and the unmitigated presence of expensive vehicles is just another example of that disparity regardless of
the price of gasoline or food.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater | I wonder how stable Mexico can remain with the current price of oil and deteriorating exchange rate......it's looking uglier and uglier.....
Brent Crude Fut 56.83 -1.07 -1.85% 13:27
WTI Crude Futr 52.96 -1.16 -2.14% 13:27
USD-MXN 14.7373 0.0008 0.01% 13:49 |
I submit that the recent weakness of the peso is a reflection of instability itself.
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durrelllrobert
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shoulda said "never been that low this year"
Bob Durrell
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David K
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Southbound I-15 Nomads: Escondido/San Marcos Costco regular is $2.15/gal Sat. 1-17-2015.
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thebajarunner
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Doug should know!!!
Doug's dad was a prominent figure in the racing gas biz for many years.
If anyone knows gas it will be our leader...
(sorry to 'out' you, amigo)
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