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surfer jim
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Maybe somebody needs to make their own thread on the merits of mordida instead of destroying this this one......
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KASHEYDOG
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Mood: SO MANY TACOS, SO LITTLE TIME... Gotta Go, See ya there.... 
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OK !! I think I have it. First of all Skeet, I'm on your side. However, for the rest you "mordida haters". Next time you go through Constitution
bring $40 in ones with you. As you go through each traffic light or stop sign throw $5 out the window. Now this will take care of the cops because
they'll park their cycles and be scrambling around for the money. Some of it may find it's way into the hands of the kids, so that takes care of the
charity issue and just think of the fun you'll have doing it as entertainment. 
NOW CAN WE HAVE THE PICTURES, Skeet ??? 
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Bajamatic
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So what you're saying is, "It's OK to be stupid, as long as you agree with me."
Blind Loyalism at its best.
yuletide
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
It will be interesting to see just how much money has been spend on the /speeders.
Skeet/Loreto |
How about all those invisible people in the crosswalks? Are these things only Mechuliakanos, or whatever it is you call them, are able to see?
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KASHEYDOG
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OK Bajamatic, we'll call you STUPID Lets all get back to a lighter
conversation.
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Dave
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Which side?
| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Skeet, I'm on your side. |
The side that suggests we acquire 'honesty' and 'integrity' yet ignore injustice? That somehow, what's happening in Constitucion is the Gringo's
fault?
Or the side that rails against America's loose morals yet make lewd comments about Mexican women and prides in visiting its brothels?
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
The Scottish Rite Temple in La Paz? I'll have to remember that.
Freemasons in Mexico?? gnukid, is that true? |
OK....I'm not Gnu, but here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry_in_Mexico |
Egads, first Skeet condemns twitter and texting and now Dennis links to Freemasons influence in Mexico. Sea change evidence of expanding
consciousness... claro que si compadres.
I know very little about Scottish Rite or FreeMasons, though I study allegory and symbols in literature and theology, apparently there are many levels
of interpretation of their symbols and allegory, typically 7, and 33 levels of Freemasons.
Many of Mexico and the US presidents are 33rd level Masons, you wouldn't know or easily recognize the ultimate FreeMason interpretation of the
actions, symbols, and allegory consciously without having read man of their works, but their symbols are everywhere in public, pop music, TV,
architecture, everywhere.
From wiki "Many presidents of Mexico were Freemasons. The Freemasonry has influenced the political action like secular education, civil liberties and
assistance to the poor peasantry."
Apparently few people can speak about Freemasons...
Albert Pike was a 33rd level Free Mason and was a founder and the Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite who authored Morals and Dogma of the Ancient
and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (for 1st to 32nd degree FreeMasons). Pike was a commander in the Mexican American war and served in the
battle of Buena Vista.
FreeMasons are a (secret) society that pulls the strings of all politics and society that influence all aspects of our North American lives, yet few
know or understand the significance of interpretation or allegory and symbology.
Albert Pike could read in 16 languages, he was also the head of the Klu Klux Klan, and a Luciferian occultist. His right hand man was Phileas Walder,
a founder and leader of the 'Mafia'. Walder worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini. In a letter, dated August 15, 1871, Pike wrote to Mazzini,
"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the
nations the effect of absolute atheism, the origin of savagery, and of the most bloody turmoil.
Albert Pike predicted the 3 world wars, the 3rd being a war between Zionists and Islam, which would provide for their mutual destruction and further
the disillusionment with Christianity and atheism and all religion to reveal a one world global government, the doctrine of Lucifer brought into
public view.
Helpful background documentation would include your own research and here a few links to long documentaries that are required viewing for all.
Articles on Freemason and Masonic influence on Early Mexico and North America
Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings 2 - Riddles in Stone: Documentary Film
Money Masters: Documentary Film
Behold a Pale Horse: Documentary Film by William Cooper
The New Atlantis: Documentary Film
[Edited on 7-9-2010 by gnukid]
[Edited on 7-9-2010 by gnukid]
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BajaOkie
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Skeet/Loreto
I agree with with Longlegsinlapaz and her assessment. I am from farming and cattle country in Oklahoma. For that reason I have more in common with
farming based communities in Baja than I do with maritime based communities. I am disappointed to hear that this farming based community does not
want dollars (pesos). Are you sure about that? Why are some of the signs in town at businesses in English?
I personally love Cd. Constitucion and have had many great times there including attending Christmas Mass a few years ago. The community seemed to
accept my wife and I without reservation. However, this community, like many, have to stand either for the rule of law or not. Separate laws for
different people (and I hate to say this) based upon how they look never work.
Now if any one wished to talk about corn in Cd. Constitucion I would have found it fasinating as to the techniques, production and labor interaction.
I would love to go to the farming areas and production facilities. I do not want to give up on this town but I will avoid this hassle until it goes
away or is no longer condoned.
One thing that bothered me after the officers let me go was as I drove north on Mex 1 I passed a few (not alot) of tourists. There was this one
blonde lady driving an RV just laughing and it appearing to be having a good time with her friends/family?. I passed them in the construction zone
outside of Cd. Insurgentes. I feel bad if she drew the short straw in Cd. Constitucion and got stopped by the same officers I had dealt with.
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Very well stated LonglegsinLapaz. |
Thank you.
| Quote: | Mexico will not change Habits just because a bunch of Tourists complain to the Bureau in La Paz.
Constitution is not a Tourist Town in Baja that depends on Tourists coming through for Dollars.
Their actions may be offensive to the Tourists but it is part of the Culture . |
Au Contraire!!! Not all are "tourists", many are permanent & full-time legal residents of Baja. Not all complaints are going to La Paz agencies,
nor are all complaints even going to Mexican agencies. What's happening in Constitucion is severely impeding both tourist & resident dollars
& pesos from making their way south of Constitucion. This is not only impacting Constitucion.
IMO, yes it is offensive, but it's also aiding & abetting Mexican police officers in violating several Mexican Federal & probably many state
& city laws. Skeet, this is not simply mordita; which I believe Fox made illegal; this is EXTORTION, pure & simple!
| Quote: | | It appears from the Posts that no one has had to pay any Dollars:: Is that true? Is there anyone who has been stopped and Paid? Or have they been able
to do as Baja Okie related and were let off when they insisted on going to the Station?? |
No that is not correct....confusingly, there are currently 3-4 similar threads active right now & not all have the same posters....many posters
have paid. Maybe if you find & read all the threads you might gain a better understanding for the anger you see expressed in this thread.
| Quote: | | How much Money has been spent in Constitution on Police Stops???" |
Unknown, but it's a very safe bet that not all who drive the Hwy. 1 gauntlet are fellow Baja Nomad followers & not all who lurk here post
here....as you might have noted, this topic has brought some lurkers out of the shadows.
Skeet, I'm not a newbie, nor a tourist, I've lived here as a permanent full-time resident for 11 years. I haven't even been out of Baja for 5+
years! While there are some things I sincerely do feel could be done differently/"smarter"/better, I sincerely try not to convey the irritating "In
the US...." "My way is better...." attitude that can be prevalent amongst gringos down here. I sincerely do try to go with the flow of the local
culture....but first & foremost, I do my damnedest to stay with local & federal law.
What the police in Constitucion are do is breaking their own countries laws & they are targeting gringos. In all honesty, I have concerns about
where the police will turn next to continue the extra income lifestyle if these efforts are successful in stopping extortion from gringos. Will they
attempt to prey on their own people through extortion?
Come on Skeet, you're wearing me out!! Are you willing to admit there is
a difference between mordita & extortion?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Yes there is a difference. But what I want to see is called PROoF, not just IFIFlyfish saying this is happening. I want those who have been stopped
and have NOT been speeding to come forward and give the amounts they have paid.
In other words I do not beleive that they were not Speeding. I think at this Point they got caught and are trying to make the Police look bad.''There
is still "No Proof!!!!
Baja Okie[[What town in Okie??
As you know Constitution was started after Fozzil Water was dicovered and Tapped. I could very easily live there. The People are Great, The Medical
Care is Excellent, you can purchase nearly all your needs without going to La Paz. The kids are very poor out on the Western Farm Land where it gets
Cold in the Summer when Fogs move in around 4 PM.
From what I have been able to find out from my friends there was an increase in Tickest after the Tourist would come through speeding and not
observing the Signs. And yes there was a couple of the Policemen that started some heavy type fines, but not much was collected as most of the
Speeders refused to pay and ask to see the Judge. So______________
Let us hear from those on When and How Much and were they really observing the accruate Speed?
Let us talk about FACTS
Skeet
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longlegsinlapaz
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Skeet, here two threads which are still showing on page 2 of Today's Posts....sorry, I'm not going back to do a search for any others that may have
slipped off the radar ....
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=46302
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=44711
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaOkie
However, this community, like many, have to stand either for the rule of law or not. |
The people of most Mexican communities are seperated from their police force and, traditionally, they only interact in a punitive manner.
The people don't trust the police nor do they confidently ask for assistance. The police are there to enrich themselves from the community and
interaction is unheard of.
It won't matter what the community wants. They won't get it without paying a price.
The element of loss for the community in this issue can only be realized by a negative impact on business. Enact that and the nonsense will cease.
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gnukid
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Any reader can see the incredible bs and distracting misinformation in these messages from Skeet today, which are pointedly directed at stopping this
community from organizing against corruption. Why? Who would want that, who would make the argument? Ask yourself. The answer is there.
It's pure propaganda and a side track. Quite a common theme here nowadays. Something quite odd with this writer posting under the name Skeet. Not a
Baja lover, not an ethical adventurer, not true Christian moral, not realistic about practically anything, yet the posts are more well written and
formed than ever before, more hyperbole. It's an obvious attack on this campaign for truth and justice by an enemy of justice. Ignore Skeet.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaOkie
However, this community, like many, have to stand either for the rule of law or not. |
The people of most Mexican communities are seperated from their police force and, traditionally, they only interact in a punitive manner.
The people don't trust the police nor do they confidently ask for assistance. The police are there to enrich themselves from the community and
interaction is unheard of.
It won't matter what the community wants. They won't get it without paying a price.
The element of loss for the community in this issue can only be realized by a negative impact on business. Enact that and the nonsense will cease.
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Cheers, thank you Champ! here here! Heading out to my community now!
Vive la communidad de Baja!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Any reader can see the incredible bs and distracting misinformation in these messages from Skeet today, |
You're supposed to know how to digest that by now. He's being spoon-fed by some who think he's going to make sense of it all. That would take all the
fun out of it....doncha think?
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irenemm
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Sr. Skeeter
I am sorry you think that any town in Mexico would not want an added income. In our town we farm berries and we live off the Local people. But not one
business in this town would fore go the Tourist Dollar or Tourist pesos. I have lived here for almost 30 years and we always welcome the tourist money
as do all the business in the town or valley.
I would be very disappointed with any business here that would not be interested in the giving service and wanting to make money.
What I feel you are saying is that the Mexico people of Constitucion have all they need and do not want to grow there business. Perhaps you should ask
them if they are happy just making 100. pesos a day or would they like to make maybe 200. with added business. I am sure most if not all would go for
the 200.
I have been stopped only once in almost 30 years. I did break the law. My headlight was out and I knew it. I had a new one but it was wrong. I told
the officer that i would follow him the the Police station he said I could just pay him. I say no sir I will follow you and pay my fine that I owe.
I do agree if you did nothing wrong don't pay call the bluff. If you did do something wrong pay the city and not the cop. When he steals from the
city everyone is cheated.
Ask the business people who pay taxes and keep paying more and more and do not see improvement. When the cops steals from the people of his city he
needs to go to jail
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longlegsinlapaz
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And for what it's worth....IMO, the fact that the police are not going ahead & writing tickets speaks pretty loudly for the
argument that these are not valid infractions! Do you expect me to believe the police in Constitucion are so meek they'd let someone simply refuse to
stick around if a ticket were being written? The only logical reason they allow
anyone to refuse to put $$ in their hot little hand right there on the street, sans ticket, & let them drive off is because there was NO REAL
infraction & the stop was a trumped up extortion stop!
Please go read the original posts in the other two threads I found for you.
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Sunman
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Skeet,
Just to make it easy for you here is some proof. These are three posts cut and pasted from the other thread (screen names omitted)
#1
I have been stopped almost every time I have gone thru Constitution over the last 4-5 years- about 4 times a year. Usually the cop wants a bribe, 200
- 800 pesos. Twice I have gone to the police station to pay my fine- both times the Commander backed-up his cop and demanded that I pay him or have my
car and gear impounded- I paid. Once, I was stopped by two local cops who claimed my trailer lights weren't working: when I walked to the rear of my
trailer to check the second cop ripped my wiring from the plug and said in perfect English, " Here's your problem; the wires are broken, you should
have checked them before you left home". It cost me $20. to get out of there. I hate to pay the bribes but from what I've seen you will get no relief
from the local police management. It does not matter if you are on the Federal Highway or the town streets; the local cops will stop people on any of
the roads thru town. I will spend no money in Constitution ever, if I can help it. The newer Pemex North ( West side of road) of town is well known by
the locals to short-liter you, and they will try to short-change you if you let them.
#2
Okay, I will add myself to the victim list. On June 21st, we were pulling into CC, heading south to our home in LB. I have been reading the posts
recently and decided to play it extra cautious. I started down the center lane, literally going 10 mph. I stopped at every light, crosswalk and stop
sign. I noticed one police officer had someone pulled over on the frontage road. I proceeded south very slowly. About three lights from the end of
town, I noticed a police truck turning left in front of me while I was sitting at a red light. He turned left, made a U-Turn and shadowed me on the
frontage road the entire rest of the way. Continuing @ 10mph, he finally pulled behind me at the last light and lit me up. When I was chatting with
him, he said I failed to stop for pedestrians seven blocks back. Impossible since he only pulled in front of me near the end of town. He told me he
was going to keep my license and I could come get it at 8:00 the next morning at the police station or........ $500 pesos right now. I pondered
letting him keep my license and just getting a new one when I returned to the states, but figured that might not be that bright. After negotiating for
several minutes, we agreed on $400 pesos and we were on our way. He even extended his hand out to shake my hand. He was polite even after I told him
that everybody knows what is going on here and that he is only hurting his own community by harassing tourists. I asked him who would ever want to
come stay in this town with all of the police extortion and he simply laughed and said not my problem.
I will be driving back north in a few weeks to continue the saga. It is a shame, because I normally stay there for lunch and a few beers. Not
anymore!!!!
#3
I know exactly what a throw away license is, but could it be possible that I simply didn't care (at brief moment in time) if the officer kept my real
CDL allowing me to be on my way?
My two 5 year olds in the back seat started crying when they saw the two officers approaching my window, one holding an assault rifle. I am sure that
can be just a tad intimidating to a child. So I think my $500 to $400 peso deal was good enough to get me and my family out of there under MY
circumstances. I am sorry that I could not help the cause in the manner you obviously would have liked, but then again, my family is a much higher
priority to me than worrying about $40+/-.
Just thought I would share a recent similar shakedown event so that everyone knows, nothing has changed in CC.
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BajaOkie
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My home town is Skiatook, Oklahoma. As for Cd. Constitucion I was not speeding and the officer made no attempt to write a ticket. This was just
extortion, pure and simple. Stop that gringo, make up a charge, get his license and extort some pesos for its return.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Thank all of you for your reports; Those Posts are well taken.
What I find Offensive is the Attitude of some of the Posters who think :Just because I have Tourist Dollars"" I am to be treated differently.
What is being discussed here has been happening for many years in Mexico. If you think you can stop it you are misled.
There has been many changes in the past couple of years due to many things occurring that make people do Bad things. I think some of the problem in
Constitution is a result of the current happenings even up here in the States as well as the Muders and Violance in the Border Cities.
I know that everytime I had anything to do with Constitution and its People I was treated very Well.
I have been in Touch with my friends in Constitution and made them aware of everyones Concerns/ The Town as a Whole is biased aganist Tourists.
I doubt very seriously if anything will come of your efforts.
I think that the Good I have received out weights any of the Bad that is being talked about.
Advice: Start Flying.
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